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post #25726 of 33197
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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post


Which Wu do you have?

Im not yet sure what I feel about untipped ties. I suspect that they should be lighter, more airy and that this will be felt in the drape. I bet someone in the Noodles thread has this tie and can tell you how it drapes.

On the Wu ties, I opted for shantung. Haven't worn them yet but did tie them. The knot easily but the shantung is very dry and stiff so I expect the effect you describe. Tipping might help eliminate that but I think it's more the fabric. Looking at the Panta not sure it will have the same problem but that's a guess, fabric looks softer.

Anyway guessing your instinct is right, the untiping will make it overall more pliable, in good and bad ways

I have the OIlive Melange and the Prince of Wales.  Both unlined.  These are the first ties I've ever bought that are 6/7 fold unlined at the tip so it's a new world to me.  Thanks for the suggestions on the two Drakes ties.  :fonz:  I'm gonna hit up some thrift stores to see what I can scrounge up the inexpensive way first.  

post #25727 of 33197
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I have the OIlive Melange and the Prince of Wales.  Both unlined.  These are the first ties I've ever bought that are 6/7 fold unlined at the tip so it's a new world to me.  Thanks for the suggestions on the two Drakes ties.  :fonz:  I'm gonna hit up some thrift stores to see what I can scrounge up the inexpensive way first.  


7 Folds are relatively rare at thrift stores, though it depends on your area. BB Makers ties seem to be a dime a dozen in my locale though. I have yet to ever see a 7 fold :/

post #25728 of 33197
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
 


7 Folds are relatively rare at thrift stores, though it depends on your area. BB Makers ties seem to be a dime a dozen in my locale though. I have yet to ever see a 7 fold :/

I don't care for 7 folds.  Unless I'm missing something other than the "wow" factor.  

post #25729 of 33197
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Originally Posted by jungleroller View Post
 

I have the OIlive Melange and the Prince of Wales.  Both unlined.  These are the first ties I've ever bought that are 6/7 fold unlined at the tip so it's a new world to me.  Thanks for the suggestions on the two Drakes ties.  :fonz:  I'm gonna hit up some thrift stores to see what I can scrounge up the inexpensive way first.  


Wait, the olive melange would have been good with that new SS suit in the WAYWRN thread!

post #25730 of 33197
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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post


Wait, the olive melange would have been good with that new SS suit in the WAYWRN thread!

Maybe...lol. I wore it the day before but I'll try it out next wear.
post #25731 of 33197

So I'm trying to find just a white non-iron dress shirt with button cuffs/spread collar and no chest pocket. I really like the material of Brooks Brothers ESF and the fit is pretty spot on in 15-33 (have a few shirts already). Turns out the only non-iron ESF w/o a chest pocket is the french cuff which I already have but looking for button cuffs. Anyone have any recommendation that would fit closely to BB ESF with the details I want? 

post #25732 of 33197
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So I'm trying to find just a white non-iron dress shirt with button cuffs/spread collar and no chest pocket. I really like the material of Brooks Brothers ESF and the fit is pretty spot on in 15-33 (have a few shirts already). Turns out the only non-iron ESF w/o a chest pocket is the french cuff which I already have but looking for button cuffs. Anyone have any recommendation that would fit closely to BB ESF with the details I want? 

Did you ask if they'd remove the chest pocket? I think most BBs with an onsite tailor will do that, for a fairly small fee, but I could be wrong.

post #25733 of 33197
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Originally Posted by YRR92 View Post
 

Did you ask if they'd remove the chest pocket? I think most BBs with an onsite tailor will do that, for a fairly small fee, but I could be wrong.

I actually haven't. Wouldn't there be a stitching outline of the pocket if they did that?

post #25734 of 33197
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I actually haven't. Wouldn't there be a stitching outline of the pocket if they did that?

Not according to the handful of people I internet-know who've done it themselves -- the thread gets pulled all the way out, and the holes from the stitching disappear after a wash, same as the little holes from the pins used to keep the shirts folded in the store.

post #25735 of 33197
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So I'm trying to find just a white non-iron dress shirt with button cuffs/spread collar and no chest pocket. I really like the material of Brooks Brothers ESF and the fit is pretty spot on in 15-33
Charles Tyrwhitt might have something that suits you.

http://www.ctshirts.com/men%27s-shirts/men%27s-dress-shirts/White-royal-Panama-non--iron-extra-slim-fit-shirt?q=usddefault||rg096wht|||||1862,4363,4278,1607,4790,||15,|33,|||||

http://www.ctshirts.com/men%27s-shirts/men%27s-dress-shirts/White-wide-herringbone-non--iron-extra-slim-fit-shirt?q=usddefault||rg073wht|||||1862,4363,4278,1607,4790,||15,|33,|||||

http://www.ctshirts.com/men%27s-shirts/men%27s-dress-shirts/White-twill-non--iron-extra-slim-fit-shirt?q=usddefault||rg009wht|||||1862,4363,4278,1607,4790,||15,|33,|||||
post #25736 of 33197
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Originally Posted by TweedyProf View Post

 

Mimo do you have a pic of yours?

 

 

Panta (half windsor, because it's really very light and thin)

 

 

Conrad Wu (FIH - hard to maintain a dimple with a tie this thick)

post #25737 of 33197
Would it be distasteful to wear soft soled shoes like moccasins with a suit? I would never wear sneakers with a suit but am curious what the consensus is on other shoes like those with a "camp" sole, crepe sole or boat shoes, etc.
post #25738 of 33197

Some do. I think it's hideous.

post #25739 of 33197
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Originally Posted by Kensington View Post

Would it be distasteful to wear soft soled shoes like moccasins with a suit?
Yes.

Now, I fully expect someone to make some claim along the lines of "it could look good," or "it depends on the moccasin." (Because someone on SF will invariably maintain that it could look good, no matter how terrible the idea.) Never mind that even if a rare and highly arguable exception could be found which doesn't look completely distasteful, such does not really invalidate the general rule that it's a thing very much to be avoided.
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am curious what the consensus is on other shoes like those with a "camp" sole, crepe sole or boat shoes, etc.
The consensus is, and long has been, that to wear such shoes with a suit is a distasteful violation of what are generally accepted as the rules of classic menswear.

Even wearing dress loafers with a suit is not infrequently looked upon with disapproval. Although this pairing has an enormously more solid pedigree than does the wearing of mocs, boat shoes, etc., with suits. It's a legitimate tradition in certain prep/trad circles. And in certain parts of the US (particularly the Northeast) and amongst certain groups (the legal community, for example), it's long been a common practice.

I will wear dress loafers (well, certain dress loafers) with a suit, sometimes, depending on the suit and the circumstances in which I'm likely to find myself that day. But there's a world of difference between a pair of AE Graysons, and my Sperry Top-Siders or L.L. Bean Gumshoes.
post #25740 of 33197

Wrote all of this before I read the reply above. I'm from the Northeast, but I'm not a lawyer:

 

There's no suit casual enough for there not to be a mismatch in formality between the suit and an LL Bean type moccasin shoe, but that has as much to do with the styling besides the sole as with anything else.

 

Dressy moccasin-type shoes tend to have regular leather soles. A cotton summer suit works with a penny loafer in a preppy idiom (though a buck is better, and this is still a stretch in terms of formality), and a Gucci-style bit loafer is an option with even a fairly dressy suit -- if you wear bit loafers. Both of those are considered something of a stretch. Mimo would consider them pulled ligament territory.

 

Boat shoes with a navy blazer and chinos are kind of an '80s prep cliche, but within a certain set they're well established. Blucher/ranger mocs have precedent with a Rugged Ivy kind of thing -- tweed or cord jacket, oxford or tartan shirt, jeans, chinos, or cords. A slip-on canoe moc would be weird with a jacket, IMHO. A crepe sole alone doesn't disqualify a shoe from dressy wear, but again, so many crepe-soled shoes are too casual for other reasons.

 

Hope that helps.

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