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post #24316 of 33197
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Originally Posted by LeSacre View Post
 

 

 

Classic or trendy? Ready, set, go

 

Classic, nice. I don't dig the super wide peak lapels, but I am a narrow guy.

 

J

post #24317 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post
 

 

Classic, nice. I don't dig the super wide peak lapels, but I am a narrow guy.

 

J

 

They aren't super wide, just wider than usual.  I am pretty sure they are 4", which is only half an inch wider than standard.  They could be 4.5" but I don't think so.  My morning coat has wider lapels; I was really surprised how well they worked on my frame.  I wouldn't order them that size unless it was my third or fourth dinner jacket, though.

post #24318 of 33197
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post

They aren't super wide, just wider than usual.  I am pretty sure they are 4", which is only half an inch wider than standard.  They could be 4.5" but I don't think so.  My morning coat has wider lapels; I was really surprised how well they worked on my frame.  I wouldn't order them that size unless it was my third or fourth dinner jacket, though.

I am a 40l, 32" waist and have 3 dinner jackets, just haven't found a double breasted or wide lapel one that looks good on me, I feel like it monopolizes the entire torso.

I'm looking for a midnight peak lapel DJ, but am kind of torn as to lapel width.

I think the 4" is great if you are a big dude and wear a 46"+ jacket.

J
post #24319 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

What would you wear to see a play when black-tie would be major overkill? Double duty for dinner on the town later. 

Am I right that a charcoal/grey/navy pinstripe suit would look like I just came from work?

J
Too many variables to make any kind of guess -- but personally, I avoid pinstripes unless it's daytime and non-interview business is being discussed.
post #24320 of 33197
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Originally Posted by Dingusberry View Post

And could you please suggest a couple brands that make jackets without working cuffs?
I recall you asking much the same question a few weeks ago, to which I replied that the vast majority of brands do not include working cuffs on their jackets. But perhaps I should have elaborated somewhat.

The overwhelming majority of suit jackets and sport coats do not feature working cuffs. Indeed, one could quite possibly go to a typical menswear store, or the suit department of a good department store, and find that jackets and suit jackets with working cuffs are outnumbered literally 100-1 by their non-working cuff counterparts.

One reason for this is fairly simple - In buying an off-the-rack (OTR, sometimes known as ready to wear, or RTW) suit or jacket, having the sleeve length altered is an extremely common thing. And it is much easier and less expensive to get the sleeves shortened somewhat when there are not working cuffs at the end of the sleeve.

Historically, working cuffs have been a feature of higher end, bespoke suits and jackets. Obviously, if one's clothes are custom tailored the sleeve length will already be correct, so the presence of working cuffs poses no great problem on that count. To this day, if one is buying a bespoke or even a made-to-measure suit or jacket, working cuffs will often be an option.

Because of this association working cuffs have with high end, custom tailored suits and jackets, some OTR brands will occasionally include the feature, at least some of the better OTR brands will, or even some of the not particularly better brands will on some of their more expensive or deluxe lines.

This feature has little functional value for probably 98% of people (yes, exceptions exist, which is why I didn't claim 100%), but again, it has some association with the finest men's clothing, and it's slightly less vulgar a way of announcing to the world that you spent a lot of money on your suit or jacket than leaving the price tag dangling from the sleeve would be. (Okay, that's a bit harsh. Some men like working cuffs simply because they like working cuffs. Which is perfectly fine, to be sure. But it's undeniable that some want working cuffs as a means of advertising that they're not wearing some $199 suit from J.C. Penny. Such men may make it a point to leave a button or two undone on their cuffs, so that people will know at a glance that those are working cuffs.)

But getting back to the main point, the vast majority of suits and jackets sold today are OTR. And the vast majority of OTR suit coats and jackets will not feature working cuffs. If you claim (as you did in a previous post) that all the brands you've looked at feature working cuffs, I believe you. If memory serves, the brands in which you indicated you were interested tended to be high end OTR, which are just the ones where the working cuff feature is most likely to be found. But I still maintain that what you've been finding is not representative of the universe of suits and jackets as a whole, and that further investigation will make this evident. Even among OTR suits and jackets costing thousands of dollars, working cuffs are the exception, not the rule.
post #24321 of 33197
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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post

What would you wear to see a play when black-tie would be major overkill? Double duty for dinner on the town later. 
Usually, I wear a suit. If it's a matinee performance, maybe a sport coat. If it's a performance which is specifically intended to be markedly casual - you know, like something performed in the park, while the audience enjoys their picnic lunches - I might go in chinos and an OCBD.

Different horses for different courses, as the saying goes.

But typically, if it's a professional performance, in a theater, in the evening, I'll wear a suit.
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Am I right that a charcoal/grey/navy pinstripe suit would look like I just came from work?
The traditional rule was that pinstriped suits were for business, and not for social events.

This rule has lost much of its influence, at least in the United States. (I cannot speak as to the rest of the western world.) I've attended any number of social events (concerts, charity fundraisers, weddings, etc.) where some men were wearing pinstripe suits, and I found nothing wrong with how they were dressed, nor did anybody else appear to be interested in making any sort of issue of it. Modern society being what it is, just seeing a man wear a suit to a social event is a pleasant surprise, deducting points for wearing a pinstriped suit is simply unreasonable.

This having been said, I typically choose to wear a non-pinstripe suit to social events. But hey, I'm a dinosaur. And even I don't disapprove when other men violate this shadow of a rule; I just don't care to violate it, myself. (Same way that some men may not object to the next guy wearing dress loafers with a suit, even though they tend not to do it, themselves.)

And let me ask, if wearing a pinstripe suit to the play were to make you look like you just came from work, what's wrong with that? I get how on Downton Abbey, the Dowager Countess of Grantham may look down upon people who have to work for a living, and regard them as her social inferiors, but in the real world, circa 2013, I don't believe there's much stigma attached to being employed. Moreover, if your pinstripe suit makes you look like you came to the play from work, well, at least it suggests that you work in one of those jobs where one is still expected to wear a suit. You know, something socially acceptable, like lawyer, funeral director, or suit salesman. smile.gif
post #24322 of 33197
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Are you just looking for oxblood wingtip oxfords?

Yes.

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Surprisingly I realise that I have no black oxford or derby shoes left because I gave two black oxford pairs for my friends as gifts and now I'm going to an interview. I have only two black pairs in wardrobe but one is a Chelsea boot and the last one is a plain toe single monkstrap shoes. But I still have a few lace up shoes such as a dark brown cap toe oxford and a burgundy full brogue derby (apart from several double, single brown, tan monkstrap and brown, burgundy boots).

 

Do I have to stick with black shoes to the interview (if I must, whether my plain toe single monkstrap can do the job when combines with a dark navy subtle stripes suit), or I can wear my cap toe brown shoes or wingtip burgundy derby with the same suit?

 

Thank you.

post #24324 of 33197
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Originally Posted by azumi View Post

Surprisingly I realise that I have no black oxford or derby shoes left because I gave two black oxford pairs for my friends as gifts and now I'm going to an interview. I have only two black pairs in wardrobe but one is a Chelsea boot and the last one is a plain toe single monkstrap shoes. But I still have a few lace up shoes such as a dark brown cap toe oxford and a burgundy full brogue derby (apart from several double, single brown, tan monkstrap and brown, burgundy boots).



 



Do I have to stick with black shoes to the interview (if I must, whether my plain toe single monkstrap can do the job when combines with a dark navy subtle stripes suit), or I can wear my cap toe brown shoes or wingtip burgundy derby with the same suit?



 



Thank you.


 



I don't think I can answer that for you, but it would help others if you tell us what industry, and city, the interview is in.
post #24325 of 33197

Yes Sir, it's an interview for construction management job, will take place in Korea, I heard that Korean pay a lot of attention to appearance.

post #24326 of 33197
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Originally Posted by ImTheGroom View Post
 

Classic; little bit of a vintage feel with the bell lapels - looks like 4" wide, too.

 

 

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Originally Posted by J011yroger View Post
 

 

Classic, nice. I don't dig the super wide peak lapels, but I am a narrow guy.

 

J

 

Thanks for the input -- I viewed it as a classic design but its from a designer that is known for being more trendy.  For the price of the tux, it better last me a long time and I was making sure I wasn't being blinded by branding.

post #24327 of 33197

 

This is an old pic from Pitti Uomo 2011 but I was wondering if anyone knew the brand of cargo pants these are. In lieu of a brand name, I particularly like both the design and color so if anyone knows a similar cargo pant regardless of brand, that would be nice.

 

 

post #24328 of 33197
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post

Moreover, if your pinstripe suit makes you look like you came to the play from work, well, at least it suggests that you work in one of those jobs where one is still expected to wear a suit.

If I have to go straight to the theatre from the office, I make sure not to wear pinstripes that day. Problem solved.
post #24329 of 33197
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Originally Posted by loarbmhs View Post
 

Yeah, but the initial break-in period wasn't envisioned to be 3-4 months straight, and under mining conditions. As for the study you site, would love to see it--sounds like an urban myth to me. It's just common sense that all the perspiration, etc. that would accumulate after 4 moths would have an effect. You wouldn't wear underwear for 3-4 months straight (I hope). But like the Random Adam posted, this isn't the best place for denim discussion--we don't get sarcasm.

Please see here: http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/19/not-washing-jeans-for-15-months-ok-healthwise-at-least-study/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/canadian-student-josh-le-year-washing-jeans/story?id=12722442&page=1

post #24330 of 33197
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post

Usually, I wear a suit. If it's a matinee performance, maybe a sport coat. If it's a performance which is specifically intended to be markedly casual - you know, like something performed in the park, while the audience enjoys their picnic lunches - I might go in chinos and an OCBD.

Different horses for different courses, as the saying goes.

But typically, if it's a professional performance, in a theater, in the evening, I'll wear a suit.
The traditional rule was that pinstriped suits were for business, and not for social events.

This rule has lost much of its influence, at least in the United States. (I cannot speak as to the rest of the western world.) I've attended any number of social events (concerts, charity fundraisers, weddings, etc.) where some men were wearing pinstripe suits, and I found nothing wrong with how they were dressed, nor did anybody else appear to be interested in making any sort of issue of it. Modern society being what it is, just seeing a man wear a suit to a social event is a pleasant surprise, deducting points for wearing a pinstriped suit is simply unreasonable.

This having been said, I typically choose to wear a non-pinstripe suit to social events. But hey, I'm a dinosaur. And even I don't disapprove when other men violate this shadow of a rule; I just don't care to violate it, myself. (Same way that some men may not object to the next guy wearing dress loafers with a suit, even though they tend not to do it, themselves.)

And let me ask, if wearing a pinstripe suit to the play were to make you look like you just came from work, what's wrong with that? I get how on Downton Abbey, the Dowager Countess of Grantham may look down upon people who have to work for a living, and regard them as her social inferiors, but in the real world, circa 2013, I don't believe there's much stigma attached to being employed. Moreover, if your pinstripe suit makes you look like you came to the play from work, well, at least it suggests that you work in one of those jobs where one is still expected to wear a suit. You know, something socially acceptable, like lawyer, funeral director, or suit salesman. smile.gif

Thanks much, I work in a European auto repair shop, so I change into uniforms.

My main goal is for it to be understood that I want to look like this, not that I have to look like this.

J
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