It is hard to tell- but I think it is a half-windsor. Look at http://www.tie-a-tie.net/ and tie a full and a half and you should be able to sort it out.
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Ask A Question, Get An Answer... - Post All Quick Questions Here (Classic menswear) - Page 1371post #20551 of 312212/28/13 at 5:53am
Styleforum Top Pickspost #20552 of 312212/28/13 at 5:57ampost #20553 of 312212/28/13 at 7:27amQuote:Originally Posted by aravenel
Nailhead would maybe be OK as that's almost a texture more than a pattern, and resolves to solid... Maybe some birdseyes as well. But personally I'd stay away from anything more patterned than pick-and-pick/sharkskin in trousers.
Before anyone gets up in arms about how it's *possible* to do patterned trousers in some particular niche case, I'm coming at this from a practicality perspective. A pair of trousers that are very hard to pair and only go with one outfit are not something I want in my closet. If I had infinite money and infinite closet space, perhaps I'd consider it... But I don't, so I need my trousers to be easy to pair, and I'd wager that anyone on this forum who isn't Vox is in the same boat.
Here are the pants in question.post #20554 of 312212/28/13 at 8:21ampost #20555 of 312212/28/13 at 8:22amQuote:
Exactly. Try a white button down and a navy cardigan, or a light blue shirt and a burgundy or brownish cardigan. Probably without a tie. With a cravat if you're really brave. :)post #20556 of 312212/28/13 at 10:37ampost #20557 of 312212/28/13 at 10:43amThat example works decently--like I said, I'm sure there is a way to do it well. This is probably pretty much it--large, bold striped shirt to 1) not clash with the pents, 2) to keep the eye from being drawn downwards.
Problem is, this is a very, very loud look, that most people probably couldn't pull off, and even if they can, they probably can't wear it very often. And frankly, I don't think its a particularly good look. It works, but I certainly wouldn't go trying to replicate this.post #20558 of 312212/28/13 at 11:19ampost #20559 of 312212/28/13 at 11:25amQuote:Originally Posted by aravenel
That example works decently--like I said, I'm sure there is a way to do it well. This is probably pretty much it--large, bold striped shirt to 1) not clash with the pents, 2) to keep the eye from being drawn downwards.
Problem is, this is a very, very loud look, that most people probably couldn't pull off, and even if they can, they probably can't wear it very often. And frankly, I don't think its a particularly good look. It works, but I certainly wouldn't go trying to replicate this.
Are you looking at a different picture than I am?
Checked trousers like that add some interest to an outfit- blazer and gray trousers, that's usually on the mind-numbingly boring side. It's not loud by any means, and wouldn't be loud with the other posted trousers.
Look, patterned trousers may not be your thing, but they're hardly inherently evil, nor all that limiting if your sportcoats tend to be textured more so than pattered. If you wear lots of loudly pattered sportcoats, yes, you'll run into problems. If you have lots of blazers and flannel sportcoats, an array of patterned pants adds another layer to an outfit.post #20560 of 312212/28/13 at 11:33amHe's wearing a shirt with 1" spaced, 1/4" thick purple stripes. That's loud by just about anyone's definition.
It's not only that patterned odd trousers are hard to pair, it's that they draw the eye downwards. Sure, you could just go with patterned trousers, solid jacket, solid shirt, solid tie. But the pattern on the trousers pulls your eye to the legs, not the face, and makes the whole thing seem off balance. To counteract that, you need a strong pattern up top, which is exactly what Spoo has done here. But then you've got a loud and distinctive outfit, which limits its utility. You can't wear that very often.
Again, one *can* do it--Spoo's outfit here looks pretty decent. But one can't wear that outfit very often given how distinctive it is.post #20561 of 312212/28/13 at 11:39amQuote:Originally Posted by aravenel
He's wearing a shirt with 1" spaced purple stripes. That's loud by just about anyone's definition.
It's not only that patterned odd trousers are hard to pair, it's that they draw the eye downwards. Sure, you could just go with patterned trousers, solid jacket, solid shirt, solid tie. But the pattern on the trousers pulls your eye to the legs, not the face, and makes the whole thing seem off balance. To counteract that, you need a strong pattern up top, which is exactly what Spoo has done here.
Again, one *can* do it--Spoo's outfit here looks pretty decent. But one can't wear that outfit very often given how distinctive it is.
Eh, that shirt's not too loud in my book, though I see what you're saying. Distinctive, but not all that loud. And even so, it's the only strong element up top beside the blazer and tie. You'd have to switch that tie to something notably patterned to cross the line into loud for me- as it is, it's a one pattern outfit with a moderate level of additional interest on the pants.
I wouldn't call it subdued, but I wouldn't call it loud. Just a happy medium.post #20562 of 312212/28/13 at 12:00pmpost #20563 of 312212/28/13 at 12:31pm
For $400 you have a whole world out there. Check out clearance items from Alden in the US, and any number of makers in the UK.: discounted or entry-level Church's, Alfred Sargent, Tricker's or Crockett and Jones can be had well within that, and full price on many Cheaney, Barker and others give you plenty of choice.
All have a brilliant range within your budget if you like the English makers, and I've personally ordered plenty from the first two, and their service is excellent.
Going more exotic:
Spain: www.meermin.es (cheap, but can take a long time)
www.carminashoemaker.com (just about within your price)
or if you're really into something new:
www.vass.cipu.hu (Hungarian, brilliant, read the threads for sizing tips and you'll be just a little over budget for pretty much anything yo want)
www.edetal.sg (Singaporean, incredibly priced and good quality, but limited range and sizes)
If you love the Allen Edmonds or just don't want to risk the unknown, go for it. But there's a whole world of shoe addiction out there waiting for you.post #20564 of 312212/28/13 at 12:37pmQuote:Originally Posted by lancebm
I have a question regarding formal wear. I am currently on the market for a Tuxedo and I am in a predicament. I'm low on funds but want to do something different than the cliche mens wearhouse rental. As of Style, I was thinking vintage... like the old Military style tuxedos or the ones with the cut away coat.... any suggestions on where to find a good one?
The best place to find vintage Dinner suits are the usual places you would think of, ie. Ebay (especially ebay UK), etsy or a good vintage or thrift store (which is where i bought mine for $20, a beautiful 1954 shawl collar, midnight blue dinner suit, fully canvased). If you have the time, check at thrift stores in wealthy neighborhoods (i have seen at least four Tuxedos of decent quality in my travels since the beginning of the new year) and you should find a diamond in the rough (although it will take some time) and once you get it, make sure to tailor it. If you dont have the time to look for one at thrift stores (it may take months, or even years to find one in your size), the best, relatively inexpensive but high quality dinner suit is made by Polo Ralph Lauren (when its on sale...althouth,it is still not what i would call cheap).
Also check out this series on the dinner suit:post #20565 of 312212/28/13 at 12:41pm
Don't throw away the classic with the cliche. If your budget is limited, rent the standard (as long as it's correct!), but maybe also try to pick up a vintage black u-front waistcoat instead of a crappy shiny cummerbund, get a proper bow tie (please, not one of those pr=-tied things and it MUST be black), wear a marcella shirt instead of pleated (wing collar if you're slim, flat if you're not), add a simple white pocket square and plain-toed black shoes with a very good polish, and you'll look better than anyone.
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