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post #18841 of 29429

I can see you are very serious about this, but the short answer is to not overthink it. The long answer follows.

 

You should be measuring beyond where the shoulder bone connects with the arm, where your shoulder meets the fleshy upper part of your arm. You should be able to depress the top of the arm slightly where it arcs. No one wears their shirts with the seam riding up by the top of the shoulders, so if you are measuring near the nubs, you are doing it wrong. A shirt (I assume you were talking about shirts) seam should drape just slightly over that intersect, not sit flush on your shoulder bone, unless you want to feel a taut shirt all day. Yes, 16.5 is more akin to a size small or extra small, but everyone has different physiology.

 

You would be better served A) finding a shirt you like the fit on and measuring the fit from top shoulder seam to shoulder seam, laid flat, and working against that template; or B) going to a dry cleaner or tailor and asking them very nicely to help you. Perhaps you can think of a compelling reason to convince them.

 

Don't worry about yoke. And when self measuring, you should really have a third party measure you for an objective result.
 

post #18842 of 29429
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Originally Posted by newbie369 View Post

I bought these shoes three years ago for my high school graduation. I just dug em out of my closet to prepare for a dinner party in a few weeks. I don't think they look too bad, but it seems like 9/10 people online hate square toed shoes. 
 
I have two questions for you guys:
 
1. Would you consider this a squared toed shoe? 
2. Do they really look that bad? (i.e. can I still wear them?)
 
I like saving money, but if the general consensus is to trash them, I'd buy new ones just to put my mind at ease.
 
 
Thanks!
 
 
 







(suit is OTR, pants will be hemmed)
 
 
aerial view:



I think they look fine. I wear similar shoes in black and brown regularly with suits.
post #18843 of 29429
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Originally Posted by newbie369 View Post

I bought these shoes three years ago for my high school graduation. I just dug em out of my closet to prepare for a dinner party in a few weeks. I don't think they look too bad, but it seems like 9/10 people online hate square toed shoes. 
 
I have two questions for you guys:
 
1. Would you consider this a squared toed shoe? 
2. Do they really look that bad? (i.e. can I still wear them?)
 
I like saving money, but if the general consensus is to trash them, I'd buy new ones just to put my mind at ease.
 
 
Thanks!
 
 
 

700

 

700

(suit is OTR, pants will be hemmed)
 
 
aerial view:

700
 

This went by unanswered. Thoughts/opinions?

post #18844 of 29429

newbie369: I don't like them very much.

 

1: Well, they are not terrible in terms of the squaredness (even a word?), but too square for my liking.

 

2: Well, I think they look quite bad. The leather seems to be of low quality from what I can tell and they are not pleasing to the eye.

 

I would say replace them, but if you don't want to use money on new shoes that is totally acceptable.

 

In my opinion, Herring Knightsbridge is a decent cap-toe oxford shoe that is quite reasonably priced. But given its low price other decent alternatives should be available in the same price range. Herring Churchhill is of a better quality, but somewhat more expensive.

 

http://www.herringshoes.co.uk/product-info.php?&brandid=6&shoeid=448

post #18845 of 29429
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Originally Posted by GH2M43 View Post

Sorry to repost, but I didn't probably insert the image.  Anyone know where I can find shoes of this shape as well?  I love the color and shape, I could do without the wingtip though.  Seems low-profile.


http://www.guylook.com/luxurious-city-wingtip-oxford-dress-shoes-shoes-06-en.html

Instead of these


You might like these better


http://www.ebay.com/itm/HENDERSON-BROWN-SHOE-FUSION-MEN-/221144813611?pt=US_Men_s_Shoes&var=520119252985&hash=item337d42102b


http://www.ebay.com/itm/HENDERSON-BROWN-SHOE-FUSION-MEN-/221144813589?pt=US_Men_s_Shoes&var=520119252974&hash=item337d421015
post #18846 of 29429
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Originally Posted by newbie369 View Post

This went by unanswered. Thoughts/opinions?


That's pretty much the exact square-bicycle-toe shoe that SF hates. Almost no one in real life would blink at them, but they get no love among the SF crowd.


Personally: they're ugly.
post #18847 of 29429
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Originally Posted by newbie369 View Post

This went by unanswered. Thoughts/opinions?

They're really awful, sorry.
post #18848 of 29429
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

That's pretty much the exact square-bicycle-toe shoe that SF hates. Almost no one in real life would blink at them, but they get no love among the SF crowd.
Personally: they're ugly.

I understand they're ugly because mainly of the square toe. However can someone tell me why they are considered ugly while at same time square toes from SF brands are loved? Is it only because the square in the cheap shoes is much wider or what?
post #18849 of 29429
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Originally Posted by clarksdb View Post

I understand they're ugly because mainly of the square toe. However can someone tell me why they are considered ugly while at same time square toes from SF brands are loved? Is it only because the square in the cheap shoes is much wider or what?

SF Brands don't make square toes. Many make chisel toes, which have a squared end, but a much narrower front that gives them a much more distinct and sleek shape. Hence the hate, I think. Square toed shoes lack any real thought in their design- they lack texture, like a brogued wingtip might have, the lack the grace and flow that a nice last can create- in fact, they actively resist grace and flow. They're just fat and clunky, but without the charm or details that make some other less sleek styles loved.

By the way, this is a chisel toe. This is good:

Edited by cptjeff - 12/2/12 at 9:18am
post #18850 of 29429
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post

SF Brands don't make square toes. Many make chisel toes, which have a squared end, but a much narrower front that gives them a much more distinct and sleek shape. Hence the hate, I think. Square toed shoes lack any realy thought in their design- they lack texture, like a brogued wingtip might have, the lack the grace and flow that a nice last can create- in fact, they actively resist grace and flow. They're just fat and clunky, but without the charm or details that make some other less sleek styles loved.
By the way, this is a chisel toe. This is good:

Thanks for that info, in no way do I endorse square end but I just never understood why SF brands with a square-ish finish were accepted. So that really helps explain that.
post #18851 of 29429
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Originally Posted by Ich_Dien View Post

They're really awful, sorry.

+1, theyre awful. Get rid of them.
post #18852 of 29429


I like those!  Any following the same form factor without wingtip?  maybe in brown?  finding that perfect shoe is hard, and also subjective, hahaha

what does goodlensboy mean?  do you shoot?

post #18853 of 29429
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Originally Posted by mexicutioner View Post

i want to help my wife rock her family secret santa gift exchange, so i want to buy a (used) suit for her person. he's 6'2" and about 200-220 pounds or so, definitely on the pudgy side. his wife measured him, do these measurements look about right? generally, what size would he be based on these measurements? i'm guessing about a 43 R/L, is that correct? if his chest is 43" how big should the chest measurement on a jacket be?
chest 43
overarm 52
waist 40
jacket length: 30
sleeve length: 26
pant length: 43 (measured how?)
inseam: 31.5
neck: 17
(sorry if this is stupid, i've never bought clothes for anyone else before)

 

- I have a 42" chest.  Some 21" p2p fit me; however, I favor a 22" p2p generally.  It all depends on the cut of the jacket.

- The jacket length concerns me.  At 6'1", I typically wear a 31" BOC but my BB Fitzgerald jacket is 30.5" and still covers my entire ass (barely).

- The pant length may very well may be the outseam measurement

- I suggest to obtain a shoulder measurement also.  That and the chest are the key parts to a jacket that only a very skilled tailor can alter, and we are talking $$$

post #18854 of 29429
post #18855 of 29429
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Originally Posted by Telnet7 View Post

what do you guys think about this jacket?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/290824609756?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Do your due diligence as a buyer.  There appears to be a small moth hole on the left sleeve (pictured)

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