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post #14296 of 33197

 

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Originally Posted by SlimJohny View Post

Hey guys, does somebody know, where to buy similar shoes http://www.zara.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product/uk/en/zara-S2012/189538/630628/DESERT%2BBOOT in dark brown color? I found just a classic desert boots, but I dont really like the look - I do not want ankle shoes. Best would be desert shoes, but not so high as desert boots. Thanks.

 

 

 

 


Wonder where Zara gets off calling those boots, which those are anything but. Anyway, look on eBay for Clarks Bushacre Lo.

post #14297 of 33197
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Originally Posted by 12345Michael54321 View Post

A "rule" often ignored - and not necessarily out of ignorance, either.
Basically, you're saying that you acknowledge that there is a rule against wearing a button-down collared shirt (let's just call it a OCBD, for short, even though I suppose it needn't be either Oxford, or cotton) with a suit and tie, but you want to know if the rule applies if you're wearing a suit without a tie. That about right?
Well, let's look at the rationale behind the rule -
The rule that an OCBD isn't appropriate with a suit and tie stems from the notion that the OCBD can trace its origins to casual/sporting wear, whereas a suit and tie is generally intended to convey a more serious, often business-like, appearance. Therefore, wearing the button-down collared shirt is regarded as detracting from the suit's intended purpose.
Such being the case, one might assume that wearing an OCBD with a less formal, less "business-like" suit might well be okay. And, sure enough, many of those men who still maintain that it's wrong to wear an OCBD with a charcoal pinstripe Brooks Brothers suit and silk repp necktie for serious business purposes, have far less objection to wearing an OCBD with, say, a tan poplin suit and linen tie, when meeting some friends for a social gathering.
So, it would seem that one could extend this line of reasoning, and conclude that since a tie-less suit is, by its very nature, almost always less "serious" than a suit and tie, wearing a BD with it would be okay. At least in the eyes of most people who care about such things.
However, a great many of those people who care about such things also hold that the practice of wearing a "serious" suit without also wearing a tie, is fundamentally objectionable. Again, maybe not so much if it's a casual, summery suit (like the poplin suit, above), but definitely if it's something like the aforementioned charcoal BB pinstripe.
So what it comes down to is, if it's a serious or business suit, you're going to dismay some people simply by wearing it without a tie, even before they get to considering the collar. If it's a casual suit, being worn on a social occasion, most people will be willing to regard both the OCBD rule and the tie rule, with a fair degree of flexibility.
I'll add that (1) the "no button-down collared shirt with suit" rule was never universally accepted, and whatever authority it did once possess has been greatly reduced over the years. Also, (2) everything I've said is coming from one traditional Northeastern/Middle Atlantic US context. I recognize that attitudes about such things can differ in other places. Finally, (3) I do sometimes opt to wear OCBDs with conservative business suits. I also always a tie if I'm wearing a suit - even a casual suit. But I will, occasionally, wear a blazer or sports coat sans tie. (Related to this, if I'm going to wear a tie, I'll always wear either a suit, a blazer, sports coat, or sweater - never a "naked" shirt.) Hey, those are simply the rules that work for me; naturally, you're free to choose whichever set of rules and traditions you like, and abide by them - or violate them - as you see fit.
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Michael

I'm oftentimes feel that OCBD look out of place with wool trousers too the same way piqued polos do, more so because of the material than the style of the shirt.
post #14298 of 33197

I always wear a pocket square with suit jackets and odd jackets (blazers/sport jackets), even if I decide not to wear a neck tie.

I recently purchased the following sport jacket and it fits perfectly minus the sleeves. It does not have a traditional breast pocket intended for a pocket square but rather two pockets with "flaps" (sargent blazer??. However, I experimented with a pocketsquare and home.

 

Any thoughts on this? Common? Faux pas? I haven't seen anyone do it. I'm all for breaking rules...sometimes....

 

I consider a somewhat casual sport coat.

 

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NOTICE  TWO POCKETS WITH "FLAPS"

 

At home experiment:

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post #14299 of 33197

I always wear a pocket square with suit jackets and odd jackets (blazers/sport jackets), even if I decide not to wear a neck tie.

I recently purchased the following sport jacket and it fits perfectly minus the sleeves. It does not have a traditional breast pocket intended for a pocket square but rather two pockets with "flaps" (sargent blazer??. However, I experimented with a pocketsquare and home.

 

Any thoughts on this? Common? Faux pas? I haven't seen anyone do it. I'm all for breaking rules...sometimes....

 

I consider a somewhat casual sport coat.

 

IMG_0431.JPG

NOTICE  TWO POCKETS WITH "FLAPS"

 

At home experiment:

IMG_0428.jpg


 

post #14300 of 33197
For a dress shirt, should there be buttons on the collar? I was looking at the Hyde Park from Lands End and it has buttons. I thought the proper way to wear dress shirts with a suit was with no buttons on the collar. (typed hastily)
post #14301 of 33197
Essential, I did address the button down collar thing about 7 posts up from yours, in response to a question from wannabe.
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Michael
post #14302 of 33197
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Suede chukkas are fine. Try the unlined pair by Alden.

such a variety of answers. I already have the Allen Edmonds Malvern in the dark suede and for some reason to me, they just don't seem right in spring/summer. I'm going to look for a pair of oxfords, any recommendations for brand? I'm looking to spend around 200. It doesn't seem that Allen Edmonds have any.
post #14303 of 33197

The Allen Edmonds Neumok is an unlined oxford short wing available in snuff and tan suede, $250.

post #14304 of 33197
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Originally Posted by PhiPsi32 View Post

The Allen Edmonds Neumok is an unlined oxford short wing available in snuff and tan suede, $250.


That, or wait for the Nordstrom Anniversary sale, and get the Strand or Park Ave for $200...
post #14305 of 33197

 

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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post


If you have a slim suit that has the highest armholes in the world when you put your arms on a desk, or reach for a steering wheel the shoulders are going to bunch up and the suit will jump around on your body. It is a product of a slim fitting suit. It has to do with armholes, but just as much to do with the tightness in the chest of the suit. If you have a more generous chest the arms can move more freely.

 


So do I either get a suit that looks good standing up or one that looks good otherwise? Are there other ways to compensate to make it look better? Would that suit I linked just never look good sitting down? I guess unbuttoning it when you sit helps and you just never raise your arms with it buttoned?

post #14306 of 33197

what do you guys think about the top green bracelet paired with the watch? or would it look better with all 3 bracelets + watch?

 

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post #14307 of 33197

^^^ Sorry but what do you want the suit for?  You can go for a slim or tapered look that still gives you room to work.  Finding one off the rack that fits exactly right is tough.  I usually budget about $100 for alterations.

 

Be careful when you post links, the period at the leads to an error.

post #14308 of 33197
Skip the bracelets entirely, just wear the watch.
post #14309 of 33197

i'm 18, so i'm kind've going for a "fun, summery" feel

 

paired up with an outfit like this, i think the bracelets + watch would look great? am i wrong lol :p

 

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post #14310 of 33197

paired with an outfit like this, won't the bracelets + watch look combination look good. i'm only 18, so i'm not going for an incredibly grown up look.

 

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