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post #31 of 39
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thinman: J&M are not higher quality than Alden, not even close. And the store owner you describe sounds like a jackass. For one thing, cordovan loafers are about as Ivy League Trad academic as it gets. Few CEOs would be caught dead in them. For another, its one thing to give advice when asked. Gratuitously insulting potential customers is another matter.
Thanks manton. I've already learned from reading the many posts here and on "Ask Andy" (quite a few of them yours. I'm amazed by the collective knowledge here ) that J&M's are not nearly comparable to Aldens. They seem to be intermediate quality. And yes, the store owner is a jackass. stylestudent and horace, thanks for the advice about widths for Grenson's. It's my understanding that since I wear 11 1/2D in American sizes, my first try should probably be 11E European. In your experience, does that hold true for Grenson's? Also, my encounter with a jackass was my first try at finding my size in the various Alden lasts. It looks like I may need a road trip to Dallas or I could wait until May, when I'll be in DC and should have half a day to shoe shop.
post #32 of 39
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stylestudent and horace, thanks for the advice about widths for Grenson's.  It's my understanding that since I wear 11 1/2D in American sizes, my first try should probably be 11E European.  In your experience, does that hold true for Grenson's?
Yes, but based on my own size 9s they may be an 1/8" narrower than what your customary size. As for Grensons, I'd definitely wait for Bennies (return privileges in the event of misfit are obviously easier to exercise with a U.S. store)
post #33 of 39
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Originally Posted by thinman,Jan. 25 2005,06:56
stylestudent and horace, thanks for the advice about widths for Grenson's. It's my understanding that since I wear 11 1/2D in American sizes, my first try should probably be 11E European. In your experience, does that hold true for Grenson's?
Yes, but based on my own size 9s they may be an 1/8" narrower than what your customary size. As for Grensons, I'd definitely wait for Bennies (return privileges in the event of misfit are obviously easier to exercise with a U.S. store)
thanks stylestudent, will wait for Bennies.
post #34 of 39
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stylestudent and horace, thanks for the advice about widths for Grenson's.  It's my understanding that since I wear 11 1/2D in American sizes, my first try should probably be 11E European.  In your experience, does that hold true for Grenson's? Also, my encounter with a jackass was my first try at finding my size in the various Alden lasts.  It looks like I may need a road trip to Dallas or I could wait until May, when I'll be in DC and should have half a day to shoe shop.
Sir, My experience with the grensons is that they're a bit narrow for me.  But length seemed true to size of others in my experience (C&J). I don't know really, as I am not the best with shoes.  I know what fits me, and unless I really know the shoe and the maker and have worn it before, I am loathe to buy over internet or anywhere else but in store. That being said, I have a relative that wears 1/2 smaller than me, and he's got bespokes Lobbs to give away.  Also, I really would like a  pair of Trickers and didn't go into shop last time in London and am hesitant to order over Internet.    But the Trickers country brogues in burnt espresso with leather soles have my eye. edit: I don't recall if you said that the jackass had Aldens in stock or not, but why don't you at least have him fit you for them. And then order them somewhere else. That way you'll know the size you want for the model you want. And remind the churl that as a professor, you're much more important (and deserving of respect) than any CEO.
post #35 of 39
I'm a bit late to this thread--we lost the internet connection in my department and I was limited to e-mail only for 3 days this week. (Got a lot of work done, but going without StyleForum was hard.) My campus is pretty casual, but I've been wearing suits regularly since I arrived here a decade ago. Yes, I got the comments about interviews/important meetings regularly at first, but over time, people have accepted that this is what I wear. I used to wear bow ties regularly, but the students would comment on their evaluations--"lose the bow ties" was pretty common. Since I didn't want that to be a distraction, I've cut back on bow tie frequency, especially on teaching days--although my wife says I shouldn't have given in so easily.
post #36 of 39
Resurrecting this, with some recent observations on what professors are wearing these days, at least here in the SW U.S.

This is in context of my other post (http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=76768) about options for what to wear in a casual environment. I was at the monthly Faculty Senate meeting yesterday, and during a boring presentation I took a survey of the men's clothing choices of the faculty and administrators. The results:

Provost (2nd in command after President, who is a woman): Sport coat over a polo shirt.
A Dean: Khaki suit with tie. The only suit in the room.
Faculty Senate Chair: polo shirt
Faculty Senate Vice-Chair: OCBD shirt

Faculty:

Polo shirts, some with logos: 8
Short sleeve shirt with buttons all the way down the front (Dilbert type?) 7
OCBD or OC long sleeve, no tie: 8
OCBD long sleeve, tie, no coat: 1
Sport coat and OC shirt long sleeve, no tie: 1
T-shirt, solid color: 1

So of the 30 men in the room, only three were wearing coats, and only two had ties. It will be interesting to see how this changes when the weather turns cooler in late Oct.-Nov.
post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
For one thing, cordovan loafers are about as Ivy League Trad academic as it gets...Gratuitously insulting potential customers is another matter.

Are you sure about that last part?


- B
post #38 of 39
The norm here is similar to what is described...faculty (non-administrators) generally don't wear suits (I'd guess around 1 in 40 do). The rest can be broken down into thirds.
1/3 wear a jacket and trousers.
1/3 wear slacks (usually khakis) and a button down shirt of some type or polo shirt.
1/3 wear jeans and whatever.

Colleagues that wear suits don't generally receive comments from other colleagues unless they are changing the way they dress and people aren't used to seeing them in that manner.

Nearly all the administrators at the Dean level or higher wear suits.

From what I've noticed, the more urban your campus is, the more suits you'll see.

--JT
post #39 of 39
I was participating in a review the other month-
the reviewers mostly wore navy blazers, tieless,
the senior reviewees wore dark suits with ties.
The work a day scientists wore whatever- khakis, jeans.
Interestingly, the NSF* folks all wore white or cream
sports coats.

I have to think that this is the NSF uniform.
The Guys in the White Jackets.

*NSF=National Science Foundation
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