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post #16 of 66
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Originally Posted by LabelKing View Post
I feel frightened there is a distinction.

If you feel frightened now, you should Google "juggalo" and see what you come up with. They are monumentally retarded in both dress and lifestyle. It will blow your mind.
post #17 of 66
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times have changed but the goths I knew in HS and college were usually pretty skinny and some of the smartest most well read and overall intelligent freaks I've ever met
Hot Topic must be blamed. It seems to me that happens with subcultures when they appropriated by mass culture, as it were.
post #18 of 66
Yeah I was goth back in the day but this was pre Vampire/Mall goth. I loved the music with bands like Sisters of Mercy and Fields of the Nephilim it was very dark and heavy. So it was more leather and PVC then it was fishnet and velvet. I loved the darker clubs too like Slimelight in London and Neo here in Chicago. I didn't do too much of the mackup thing either just a little of the black eyeliner on the lower lid for that dramatic effect.
post #19 of 66
Thread Starter 
That was the kind of response I was looking for. Unfortunately this thread may have to be moved to 'DTs' as it degenerated rather quickly.
post #20 of 66
I would guess existential angst, hormones, and ridicule would be the main ingredients involved in creating a goth. Then again, there are many kinds of goths. Hot Topic mallgoths who listen to Manson or Evanescence get 0 respect. H.P. Lovecraft/Bauhaus/Fields of Nephilim real goths I can understand.
post #21 of 66
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Originally Posted by Hard2Fit View Post
So what is (or was) the appeal?
Even in my pre-teen years I could never relate.

This NYT article got me thinking.
I didn't read the entire article, but I lived in San Francisco in the early 90's and, believe it or not, goth (or "death rock" as it was more commonly referred to then) was actually fairly hip and stylish. It was a very cool scene for a few years. Anne Rice even wrote Interview With the Vampire in a Victorian down the street from where I used to live (of course that was back in the 70's and before I lived there) .

The music we listened to was cool - Bauhaus, Joy Division, Sisters of Mercy, Love & Rockets, Cocteau Twins, The Cure, etc. Keep in mind, this was before bands like Marilyn Manson and Slipknot introduced black clothes and eyeliner to legions of fat, spotty Dungeons & Dragons geeks and Renaissance fair rejects.

Most of the guys and girls were thin and attractive, in a sort of androgynous way, and the overall style was actually fairly decent, black suits notwithstanding. A lot of these SF (the city, not the forum) goths eventually morphed into the sixties mod scene that was popular in the mid-90's which was then followed by the sort of glam 70's thing. By then, I was too old to want to be hanging out in dance clubs all the time.

Most "goths" I see these days have such horribly painful style, like the poor bastards in those frightening photos above or in that NYT article, that I very rarely admit that I was ever into that sort of thing. I guess that's what anonymous forums are for.
post #22 of 66
I read the article and it sent me back to my undergraduate days when standard art school attire was black.
However, the picture on this thread is not where I was at!
It was different in the 80's, less crap on our faces -some of the stuff now looks stupid, and I've done stupid.
Nevertheless, the crazy impulse that drives one to do this is genuine, (or seemed so at the time), be it trying to fit in or quasi rebel.
But compared to the general visual schlock of the American culture now, Goth is the least of our worries -what about Girth?
post #23 of 66
I cringe every time I see a stereotypical Goth in an 'Unknown Pleasures' shirt.
post #24 of 66
So is Goth the phase one enters before or after a Bowie Thin White Duke phase? This is, incidentally, all connected as the article mentions The Hunger, which has an anorexic Bowie--not quite as glam as in The Man Who Fell To Earth--and Bauhaus performing "Bela Lugosi's Dead" in some underground club. Somewhere, there's a "Mother Russia" lurking although I daresay, Siouxsie's elegiac "Israel" is far more appropriate for StyleForum.
post #25 of 66
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So is Goth the phase one enters before or after a Bowie Thin White Duke phase?

I'm not sure how many people would survive the cocaine vampire stage Bowie went through. He claims to not recall making 'Station to Station' or doing the subsequent tour! The interviews with him at that time are pretty entertaining to read.
post #26 of 66
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I'm not sure how many people would survive the cocaine vampire stage Bowie went through. He claims to not recall making 'Station to Station' or doing the subsequent tour! The interviews with him at that time are pretty entertaining to read.
Well, to come up with a title like TVC15, one would either need to be on cocaine, or some kind of opium orgy. Both are sufficiently decadent although cocaine strikes me as more practical.
post #27 of 66
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Originally Posted by LabelKing View Post
Well, to come up with a title like TVC15, one would either need to be on cocaine, or some kind of opium orgy. Both are sufficiently decadent.
Or just hang out with Iggy on the spiral down... Which reminds me: why is it that the vast majority of Goths I have encountered have never heard 'The Idiot'? I would have figured that as a cornerstone to their mock decadence.
post #28 of 66
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Originally Posted by Big A View Post
I was not a goth, but I liked goth girls in H.S., mostly because they did not feel the need to be constrained by conventional thoughts about relations with the opposite sex (a.k.a, they would actually have sex, as opposed to talking about it). I was extremely partial to this girl who was from one of the richest families in Florida, was skinny as a rail, and liked fishnets and studded black leather.

+ 1. I've had my share of goth chicks and they always delivered the goods, often in pretty kinky and freaky ways
post #29 of 66
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Originally Posted by unpainted huffheinz View Post
Or just hang out with Iggy on the spiral down...

Which reminds me: why is it that the vast majority of Goths I have encountered have never heard 'The Idiot'? I would have figured that as a cornerstone to their mock decadence.

I think the problem is that you have encountered the Modern Goth, a misguided byproduct of marketing departments and inexpensive eyeliner.
post #30 of 66
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It seems to me that the great majority of these subcultures are filled up with fat, physically unattractive people, which frankly, is not surprising.

I was in high school in the late 80s, and based on my experience, you could not be more wrong. The goth girls (including to a small degree my gf for 2 years) were amazingly hot. Trim, pert titties, nice legs, etc. They just happened to like the Cure, Joy Division, etc.

Short plaid skirts, fishnets...yeah. Fond memories.

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