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post #1 of 39
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So, I come in here from time to time but certainly not often. I should preface this post by saying that I go to the gym quite regularly and am certainly not fat. Nobody would say I have a weightlifter's body, nor would anyone say I'm out of shape.

That said, I have to say, a lot of the comments on here really make me wonder what some of you are thinking. I know the "ideal" body type for a man has changed a great deal over the last 30-40 years. Society seems much more into muscles now rather than being tall and slender.

So, I know a lot of threads on here are about how to get a six pack, about what seems to me to be crazy nutrition advice, about how to make your chest and biceps as big as possible. And I just wanted to take a step back and ask the 50,000 foot question: why?

I like to be fit. I like to be strong enough to lift heavy stuff around the house. But, what is the appeal to you guys to get your muscles as big as can be? To gain weight (you saw lots of posts here about how to bodybuild/gain weight/mass)? It just seems like such a vain obsession to me. I'm not saying you should let yourself go and gain 300 pounds, but counting each gram of protein and carbs that you take into your body seems completely whacko to me. Maybe you can look in the mirror and see a nicely shaped body, which clearly is appealing to lots of you, but don't you miss actually being able to eat out at nice restaurants? Being able to indulge? I can't imagine going through life having to kick myself every time some ice cream and burgers pass by.

I'm being intentionally provocative, but I really want to know - what drives you guys to be so concerned about the way your body looks, and, particularly, reshaping it and/or making it bigger than it naturally is? Don't you feel like you're missing out on some of life's greater pleasures in this pursuit of .... I don't know what?
post #2 of 39
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Originally Posted by zjpj83 View Post
It just seems like such a vain obsession to me.

Basically, that's it. But, vanity is the unifying theme of most of the subjects on SF.


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Maybe you can look in the mirror and see a nicely shaped body, which clearly is appealing to lots of you, but don't you miss actually being able to eat out at nice restaurants? Being able to indulge? I can't imagine going through life having to kick myself every time some ice cream and burgers pass by.

It's tricky, and you can't achieve the extreme unless you deny yourself, but just short of that extreme, it is possible to do both. In fact, concentrating on fitness can allow you to eat more than if you were dormant and soft like an increasing number of modern adults.

And it is a special pleasure to keep fit as you get older...and even more satisfying to keep to a maximal level of fitness.

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Don't you feel like you're missing out on some of life's greater pleasures in this pursuit of .... I don't know what?

I don't know about the others, but I can tell you that I don't short myself on pleasures...except maybe a few forbidden by the Ten Commandments.

- B
post #3 of 39
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In fact, concentrating on fitness can allow you to eat more than if you were dormant and soft like an increasing number of modern adults.

+1. I eat more than many of my pear-shaped friends. And I'm a somewhat puny 5'7" college kid. On good days.
post #4 of 39
I count calories and protein/fat/carb grams because it gives me something to pass the time when I'm tired of counting my ties/socks/comic books.
post #5 of 39
i have a 6'2, 195 pound body, that has pretty much been carved by god in attempts to portray the perfect body. i try to eat healthy, but definately never count calories etc.
post #6 of 39
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I know the "ideal" body type for a man has changed a great deal over the last 30-40 years. Society seems much more into muscles now rather than being tall and slender.


The ideal of being huge and muscular seems to be only a trend in the US. Other countries seem to still dig the guys who have a more natural set of curves.
post #7 of 39
To psychoanalyze myself, I think I lift obsessively because injuries tore me away from sports when I still had a lot of competitive spirit in me.

I count macros so I can eat 6 times a day in order to improve my performance in the gym without getting fat. I still indulge probably twice a week though, mostly because I find twice a week has no substantial negatives for me and I do like to go out to nice restaurants with the girlfriend. I'm happy with the balance that I've found and unless my priorities change drastically, I don't see my attitude towards food/lifting changing.
post #8 of 39
My body dysmorphic disorder has led to an eating disorder and exercise addiction. But this doesn't cause "significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning" and I don't believe it is the case that my "self-evaluation is unduly influenced by body shape and weight". So who cares?
post #9 of 39
This forum is naturally vain... it is built around the obsession about clothing and looks. I don't see how this extension isn't natural given the context. I don't feel the need for extremely large muscle mass, just decent defined muscle mass with little bodyfat.
post #10 of 39
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Originally Posted by West24 View Post
i have a 6'2, 195 pound body, that has pretty much been carved by god in attempts to portray the perfect body. i try to eat healthy, but definately never count calories etc.

You ain't all that! Shoo.
post #11 of 39
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Originally Posted by zjpj83 View Post
So, I come in here from time to time but certainly not often. I should preface this post by saying that I go to the gym quite regularly and am certainly not fat. Nobody would say I have a weightlifter's body, nor would anyone say I'm out of shape.

That said, I have to say, a lot of the comments on here really make me wonder what some of you are thinking. I know the "ideal" body type for a man has changed a great deal over the last 30-40 years. Society seems much more into muscles now rather than being tall and slender.

So, I know a lot of threads on here are about how to get a six pack, about what seems to me to be crazy nutrition advice, about how to make your chest and biceps as big as possible. And I just wanted to take a step back and ask the 50,000 foot question: why?

I like to be fit. I like to be strong enough to lift heavy stuff around the house. But, what is the appeal to you guys to get your muscles as big as can be? To gain weight (you saw lots of posts here about how to bodybuild/gain weight/mass)? It just seems like such a vain obsession to me. I'm not saying you should let yourself go and gain 300 pounds, but counting each gram of protein and carbs that you take into your body seems completely whacko to me. Maybe you can look in the mirror and see a nicely shaped body, which clearly is appealing to lots of you, but don't you miss actually being able to eat out at nice restaurants? Being able to indulge? I can't imagine going through life having to kick myself every time some ice cream and burgers pass by.

I'm being intentionally provocative, but I really want to know - what drives you guys to be so concerned about the way your body looks, and, particularly, reshaping it and/or making it bigger than it naturally is? Don't you feel like you're missing out on some of life's greater pleasures in this pursuit of .... I don't know what?

Not all of us can afford fancy bespoke tailors to give us the pretense of athleticism.

There are very few posts from guys looking to get huge. Most "building muscle" posts here are from undersized fellows trying to look a little more normal or athletic. Nothing wrong with that. The weight loss posts are are usually from guys hoping to drop some fat and again, look normal. (For what it's worth most of the diet advice is pretty stupid.) And there are few strength posts.

From a personal perspective, I'm not trying to be the biggest, strongest or leanest guy in town. I'm just trying to be bigger, stronger and leaner than the average guy. Which in this case, means you.

lefty
post #12 of 39
Not to be catty or anything, but the fact that the OP is a Ferrari driver seems somewhat ironic. People could make some of the same comments about the need for such an expensive and impractical automobile that are being made for the need for extreme athleticism.
post #13 of 39
I don't think most of the guys on this board want to get ginormous. Maybe some do, but I think most people just want to develop a healthy, lean and fairly muscular body. It sure as hell is a better investment than any article of clothing ever will be, as far as your appearance is concerned.

I think at a deeper level, men sense that there is something wrong with our modern lifestyle of decadence, sedentary desk jobs, unhealthy restaurants, and unhealthy diet. Or maybe that's just me.
post #14 of 39
I think the slender look is still in. Wish it wasn't. The frustrating thing is I've noticed that despite our reputation as men, most women tend to be a lot more focused on looks than most men I know. I'd love to get by on my personality, but I live in Miami so that might not be possible.

At the moment my goal is to not be the most out of shape person in my gym. As my gym is on South Beach that's actually kind of a lofty goal.
post #15 of 39
slim , lean, is definitely in.
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