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post #16 of 50
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Originally Posted by whacked View Post
Uh, I'd also qualify as a "hobby seller" and I like eBay just fine.


I've run into the "selling restriction" once, and that was a weekly posting highly populated w/ "designer" goods (Gucci, Armani and the kind). Just waited out the 3(?) days period.


My fees have actually decreased recently, thanks to the improved PowerSeller discount and smarter listing (I'd like to think).

This has been discussed extensively here not long ago - the efforts that ebay & paypal are putting into making all the new rules, policies, fee structures, and etc are trying to drive "hobby sellers" out. So its only natural that ebay/paypal gives a rat's @ss about OP's problem.

The fact that you are happy with your current situation only means that you are just lucky and have not been screwed by anyone. But i am telling you the chances of one, as a hobby seller, get screwed is higher than ever. Today you can be a happy camper enjoying the so-called improved PowerSeller discount, yet it may only take 1 or 2 bad buyers within 30 day period of time to ban you selling on ebay forever.
post #17 of 50
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Originally Posted by A Guy from Shanghai View Post
This has been discussed extensively here not long ago - the efforts that ebay & paypal are putting into making all the new rules, policies, fee structures, and etc are trying to drive "hobby sellers" out. So its only natural that ebay/paypal gives a rat's @ss about OP's problem.

I do recall the discussions you mentioned, where I had a few posts myself. Also, I don't buy into many's belief of a conscious effort by eBay to drive out "hobby sellers". In fact, I'm still waiting for an answer on exactly how the last batch of changes accomplish this.

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Originally Posted by A Guy from Shanghai View Post
The fact that you are happy with your current situation only means that you are just lucky and have not been screwed by anyone. But i am telling you the chances of one, as a hobby seller, get screwed is higher than ever. Today you can be a happy camper enjoying the so-called improved PowerSeller discount, yet it may only take 1 or 2 bad buyers within 30 day period of time to ban you selling on ebay forever.

I'm cool with that. For one, I don't plan on selling wares on eBay for much longer; t'is my last year in school and my future job will surely keep me busy. Heck, I might not even have time for SF, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.


Also, I believe the actual frequency of chargebacks / frauds on eBay is GROSSLY overstated. Just ask A Harris and V Man, two august members and professional sellers with around 10K transactions combined, I'm quite sure they can count the number of times in two hands. Also note how the latter has never said bad things about eBay, contrary the majority (!!!) of posters in this thread.


At the end of the day, I'd just like to make the best out of what I have. For now, eBay is the only game in town. And I certainly don't hate them.
post #18 of 50
Have never sold anything on eBay, but sold some crap at a yard sale once. Worried about the rain, but the folks came anyway, from as far away as, oh I don't know, a mile maybe. EBay on the other hand can bring folks to your yard sale rain or shine and at 3 a-m and from as far away as China. I don't join the chorus dumping on eBay. I marvel at it. And was surprised recently to learn that they didn't ask sellers for 50%. You guys got a good deal selling on eBay, stop pissing about it.
post #19 of 50
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Originally Posted by whacked View Post
I do recall the discussions you mentioned, where I had a few posts myself. Also, I don't buy into many's belief of a conscious effort by eBay to drive out "hobby sellers". In fact, I'm still waiting for an answer on exactly how the last batch of changes accomplish this.

Most professional sellers would be ok to take the hit on higher final values fees if they deem they can sell their merchandises with higher profit margins. In order to achieve higher profit margins, they need less competitions, especially the competitions from hobby sellers.

Would this strategy work out for ebay? Only time will tell. On one side, ebay will lose the revenues on hobby sellers, on the other side, ebay will receive more from professional sellers. No doubt, most professional sellers will stay as long as their profit margin and revenue improve. Question is: with increased profit margin, will they still be competitive in the market? If this works out as planned, it could mean more money to ebay, more money to most professional sellers, less hobby sellers, higher prices.

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Originally Posted by whacked View Post
Also, I believe the actual frequency of chargebacks / frauds on eBay is GROSSLY overstated. Just ask A Harris and V Man, two august members and professional sellers with around 10K transactions combined, I'm quite sure they can count the number of times in two hands. Also note how the latter has never said bad things about eBay, contrary the majority (!!!) of posters in this thread.

It is about a sense of security. I myself is a hobby seller who have sold a few hundred items over quite a few years with a very good DSR (4.9, 4.9, 4.9, 4.7 & 100% positive feedback). I have never had a buyer filed a paypal dispute. ( I have been pretty lucky so far). However, new rules and policies make me feel insecure.

A similar analogy is: I live in a nice suburb neighborhood. I have never heard or witnessed a criminal act for the past 9 years when I first moved in. That does not mean I don't need a good neighborhood law enforcement team.
post #20 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post
EBay on the other hand can bring folks to your yard sale rain or shine and at 3 a-m and from as far away as China. I don't join the chorus dumping on eBay. I marvel at it. And was surprised recently to learn that they didn't ask sellers for 50%. You guys got a good deal selling on eBay, stop pissing about it.

This is like saying the government gives us services, so we shouldn't complain about taxes.
post #21 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post
Have never sold anything on eBay, but sold some crap at a yard sale once. Worried about the rain, but the folks came anyway, from as far away as, oh I don't know, a mile maybe.

EBay on the other hand can bring folks to your yard sale rain or shine and at 3 a-m and from as far away as China. I don't join the chorus dumping on eBay. I marvel at it. And was surprised recently to learn that they didn't ask sellers for 50%. You guys got a good deal selling on eBay, stop pissing about it.

I really like your thinking. Why 50%???, i would say you guys got a good deal selling on eBay as long as ebay does not ask sellers for 95%.

BTW, 50% of what, reveune or profit - this could make a huge difference.
post #22 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post
Have never sold anything on eBay, but sold some crap at a yard sale once. Worried about the rain, but the folks came anyway, from as far away as, oh I don't know, a mile maybe. EBay on the other hand can bring folks to your yard sale rain or shine and at 3 a-m and from as far away as China. I don't join the chorus dumping on eBay. I marvel at it. And was surprised recently to learn that they didn't ask sellers for 50%. You guys got a good deal selling on eBay, stop pissing about it.
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
This is like saying the government gives us services, so we shouldn't complain about taxes.

It is? I wouldn't know because I don't complain about taxes. You do apparently. But back to the point: it's hardly unusual for a retailer to give a wholesaler half or less of the eventual retail price. You're not aware of that? Or maybe you are and you just like to complain about stuff.

post #23 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post

It is? I wouldn't know because I don't complain about taxes. You do apparently. But back to the point: it's hardly unusual for a retailer to give a wholesaler half or less of the eventual retail price. You're not aware of that? Or maybe you are and you just like to complain about stuff.


Funny you should take should a condescending tone with such a ridiculous post. EBay is not a retailer, and I, as an eBay seller, am not a wholesaler. If eBay were a retailer and I a wholesaler, then you, meaning the eBay shopper, would not be paying a third or less of retail for NWT items. You would be paying retail, because that's what retail shops do: sell stuff at retail. That's what allows for profit margins, and it's not how eBay works.

Every time eBay marks up fees, it means sellers must find a way to recoup costs. That means buyers pay more, which hurts me as both a seller and as a buyer. When those eBay fees become sufficient to make it impossible for me to make even a meager profit on the NWT items I have bought from a store then I stop selling those items. That means there are fewer things for you, the eBay buyer, to purchase, which means that prices go up. Maybe you think that's ideal, but I don't, neither as a seller nor a buyer.

As an addendum, there's really no reason for rudeness. Or maybe you just like being rude.
post #24 of 50
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
Funny you should take should a condescending tone with such a ridiculous post. EBay is not a retailer, and I, as an eBay seller, am not a wholesaler. If eBay were a retailer and I a wholesaler, then you, meaning the eBay shopper, would not be paying a third or less of retail for NWT items. You would be paying retail, because that's what retail shops do: sell stuff at retail. That's what allows for profit margins, and it's not how eBay works.

Every time eBay marks up fees, it means sellers must find a way to recoup costs. That means buyers pay more, which hurts me as both a seller and as a buyer. When those eBay fees become sufficient to make it impossible for me to make even a meager profit on the NWT items I have bought from a store then I stop selling those items. That means there are fewer things for you, the eBay buyer, to purchase, which means that prices go up. Maybe you think that's ideal, but I don't, neither as a seller nor a buyer.

I don't think he understands basic economics...it's not worth defending yourself...

post #25 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post

... But back to the point: it's hardly unusual for a retailer to give a wholesaler half or less of the eventual retail price. ...


IT IS EBAY! not a retail establishment. What you imply is that most hobby sellers are almost guaranteed to sell their stuff at 100% profit margin or more. That is plain ridiculous and groundless.
post #26 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post
Have never sold anything on eBay, but sold some crap at a yard sale once. Worried about the rain, but the folks came anyway, from as far away as, oh I don't know, a mile maybe.

EBay on the other hand can bring folks to your yard sale rain or shine and at 3 a-m and from as far away as China. I don't join the chorus dumping on eBay. I marvel at it. And was surprised recently to learn that they didn't ask sellers for 50%. You guys got a good deal selling on eBay, stop pissing about it.

LOL, you forget that ebay takes a percentage of the sale price. So if I buy an item for $50 and sell it for $100 (about an average markup in the apparel category these days) and ebay takes 50%, then ebay makes $50 and I make $0.

When they enact the new FVF fees for fixed price transactions most sellers using that format will be paying 15-20% of the overall sale to ebay. As miserably low as markups are these days, ebay/paypal could easily be taking as much as 75 cents to every dollar I make on a lot of items. That is ridiculous.


BTW selling an item for twice what you paid for it is the BARE minimum markup if you want to run any kind of professional ebay business and actually make more than $5 an hour. Sellers are facing double pressure these days. If you look at the vast majority of high end tailored clothing and accessories on ebay, the average prices they fetch are roughly the same as they did in 99-01. Yet in the meantime retail prices have doubled. So margins have shrunk while competition has risen exponentially and fees continue to go up.
post #27 of 50
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
Funny you should take should a condescending tone with such a ridiculous post.

Sorry. Kinda.

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If eBay were a retailer and I a wholesaler, then you, meaning the eBay shopper, would not be paying a third or less of retail for NWT items. You would be paying retail, because that's what retail shops do: sell stuff at retail.

Nah. The NWT stuff on ebay is almost always outlet merchandise, discontinued stuff, shop worn, mis-matched, tried on, returns, etc. That stuff would never be palmed off for full retail in a real store. You'd get it on the cheap even there.

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Every time eBay marks up fees, it means sellers must find a way to recoup costs. That means buyers pay more, blah,blah,blah

That's pretty much a load. Where is it written that when costs inch up you have to pass it on to the customer? That's Exxon your emulating. Just eat the fees. It won't kill you. Or will you have to cut your employees' health benefits and cancel the company picnic....wait a minute, that can't be right: you're just selling stuff out of your basement, right?

post #28 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post

Nah. The NWT stuff on ebay is almost always outlet merchandise, discontinued stuff, shop worn, mis-matched, tried on, returns, etc. That stuff would never be palmed off for full retail in a real store. You'd get it on the cheap even there.


You must be looking for the wrong stuff.
post #29 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post

That's pretty much a load. Where is it written that when costs inch up you have to pass it on to the customer? That's Exxon your emulating. Just eat the fees. It won't kill you. Or will you have to cut your employees' health benefits and cancel the company picnic....wait a minute, that can't be right: you're just selling stuff out of your basement, right?


It's obvious you are speaking from a complete lack of experience, because this is a really stupid statement. You would be shocked how many ebay sellers are already operating at a loss. So yeah, raised fees will be passed on to the customer, or else the sellers will just go out of business altogether. Either way it is not good for the buyers.

BTW, a 300% increase in the final value fee is not "inching" up.
post #30 of 50
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Originally Posted by Egdon Heath View Post

That's pretty much a load. Where is it written that when costs inch up you have to pass it on to the customer? That's Exxon your emulating. Just eat the fees. It won't kill you. Or will you have to cut your employees' health benefits and cancel the company picnic....wait a minute, that can't be right: you're just selling stuff out of your basement, right?


Huh? I am, in fact, metaphorically selling stuff out of my basement. (It's actually on a rack in the guest room, and in a big pile next to the computer.)

I'm baffled by your question about why sellers need to pass on fees. Why do you think people sell? It's to make money, and if you can't make money, what's the point? Do you think sellers are doing all that work out of the charity of their hearts?
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