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Belfort should have broke the arm. In 10 seconds he could have done it. He was to nice and look were in got him. If JBJ doesn't want to tap then it's time to snap.

^case in point. Frank Mir:



Mir was almost knocked out 30 seconds before though, so he had to really make sure the fight was to end.

in reality though that position even when locked in isn't 100% a sure thing without the gi and sweaty slippery bodies. Bones did have the opportunity to immediately try a power bomb:



something he was already in position to do.

and what actually did happen was jones let the lock set in and just dealt with it. it eventually slipped and he fought on.

I hear you and understand. I didn't watch the fight so I can't comment on positioning. However , from what I gathered the armbar was tight and set.
After the fifth second Vitor should have wish boned that arm. He was wearing cup so that give him an advantage in the terms of degrees.
The fact is he didn't break it and it cost him.

Question was in a straight up arm bar or a triangle cum arm bar?

Anybody got a problem with the Strikeforce card being canceled? Is there a way we can blame this on JBJ.

His feet/legs were pretty open, so he didn't have the arm totally isolated, should've had his feet crossed and the bicep trapped w his thighs. If he had, once JBJ had stood up that arm would've been broken like Mir did to Sylvia.

It was a straight arm bar. Old school stuff. Victor slapped it on like you'd see an instructor doing it during your first day on the mat. The difference is that Vitor was not as high up on the arm as Is optimal, and for anyone who rolls, you know that if the guy has the presence of mind to stand up, unless you are longer than your opponent (and Vitor is a good foot shorter than Jon Jones), you've got gravity working against you. I'm not sure he was far enough up to snap that arm a la Frank Mir to Tim Sylvia. Vitor should probably have hooked the leg to begin with, and rolled Bones to his back, so that Bones couldn't stand up, and then he would have had all day, and more leverage at that.

Other thoughts about UFC 152 were the awesome knockout of Charlie O by Cub Swanson. Would like to see him take on Korean Zombie next for the title eliminator match. Also, Mighty Mouse looked so much faster against Joseph Benavidez than he did against Ian McCall.

Re Mir vs. Nogueira is completely different. And Americana or a Kimura, from the top position, with the arm trapped (or better yet, with the leg over the head), is gonna result is breakage. Unless the guy can somehow sneak it into a straight armbar, which is much harder to finish, it's going to be pop-snap in about 2 seconds flat. I've was surprised by a kimura trying to pass an opponent's guard sloppily, and those are flash submissions when they are slapped on fast. I was out of commission for 2 weeks, and that was in training, between friends (and not, like, frenemies, either.) Of course, trying for a "slow" kimura is tough. It's nearly a purely strength submission at that point.

The highlight of UFC 152 for me was the return of Vinny Magalhaes. Vinny is the man to beat JBJ!

I know that Matt Hamill is inspirational, yada, yada, yada, but I don't want to see him on the main card of a PPV ever again.

Gotta feel for Benavidez. Everyone expected him to roll through Johnson the way their semifinal fights went. I think a rematch would look exactly the same, and end with the same result. Benavidez has to hope that someone (John Dodson?) beats Johnson, and he gets a title shot against that person.

Vinny can't beat Jones. His jits is obviously amazing, but his stand up is... improving, would be the most charitable way to put it, and he doesn't have high level takedowns. My ex-BJJ trainer was right when he said than Jones sometimes has sloppy placement with his arms when he is in the top position that leaves him vulnerable to both armbars and triangles. I always contended that "No one can mount an offense from their back when they are getting pummeled that badly." Clearly I stand corrected. I don't think that he is going to be posting his arms all over the place after this. And c'mon. Who would have put money that Vitor Belfort, or all people, would be looking for the submission? On the other hand, everyone knows where Vinny wants to be.

Love Mark Hamill, but yeah, he is, and probably always will be, a sloppy fighter. He is like a wrestling version of the Mexicutioner. In other words, seems hard working, seems game, seems like a decent human being. But in that case, maybe I (or at least, a nice version of me) should get a shot at the UFC.

The Johnson-Benavidez fight went pretty much the way I thought that it would.

ooh, the diaz - hend card looks good!

My thoughts exactly. That arm was locked. Keep on cranking, never let up til you get the tap.

Anybody watching UFC 153 tomorrow night? The card doesn't have a title fight, but it's got some good scraps. I'm looking forward to the Fitch-Silva fight in particular. I would watch Anderson fight a dude randomly picked out from the crowd, so I'm interested in the main event as well. Stephen Bonnar is a tough guy (never stopped except on cuts) with an underrated ground game. He's not going to win, but he's going to do better than people think. Certainly better than James Irvin or Forrest Griffin.

War Anderson