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Originally Posted by reezy View Post
Dam Brock is out....I'm a big fan but a realistic fan of his. He was probably going to knocked out by Dos Santos in the 2nd round. I hope he gets back to form...really want to see what he can do when he gets all of the skills together.

Anyhow..if Jackson is behind Carwin's corner and he taught him how to fight smart...I have Carwin by the end of 2nd.

Carwin has been with Greg Jackson for a while. Some fighters are just smarter and also better at strategy (GSP, Rashad Evans, Jon Jones), while others fight instinctively no matter what (Leonard Garcia, a notable Jackson camp fighter who just goes and throws bombs).

Brock's problem is a really soft chin. He really can't seem to get punched in the face, and wilts when he does, which is a huge issue. It's pretty understandable when it's Shane Carwin or Cain Velasquez beating your ass, but he was visibly rocked by Frank Mir on one of very few exchanges in their second fight. If he can get that under control, he would be a much better fighter. If he really wants to improve, he needs to bring in heavyweight boxers, and get used to getting smashed in the face.
post #4532 of 5436
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
Carwin has been with Greg Jackson for a while. Some fighters are just smarter and also better at strategy (GSP, Rashad Evans, Jon Jones), while others fight instinctively no matter what (Leonard Garcia, a notable Jackson camp fighter who just goes and throws bombs). Brock's problem is a really soft chin. He really can't seem to get punched in the face, and wilts when he does, which is a huge issue. It's pretty understandable when it's Shane Carwin or Cain Velasquez beating your ass, but he was visibly rocked by Frank Mir on one of very few exchanges in their second fight. If he can get that under control, he would be a much better fighter. If he really wants to improve, he needs to bring in heavyweight boxers, and get used to getting smashed in the face.
Yeah I agree with you some are instinctive fighters. Garcia is a lost cause and I think he knows that so he just goes out and tries to give the "fight of the night" bonus by hailing bombs at willing strikers. Carwin, on the other hand, still has potential and I think he will learn from his fight from Lesnar. In the end, we won't know til the fight happens. JDS seems to have the same problem as Carwin when he faced Nelson although he didn't gas as much as Carwin. It's going to be interesting. I won't be surprised if JDS does a front kick like Machida and Silva for the finish lol Segal. Brock keeps his chin up when hes striking which won't surprise me since he's still very raw as a MMA fighter. For his status, he doesn't have as much experience as anyone in the UFC, which leads to wilting and looking embarrassed when he is being striked at. I really hope he can come back from his health problems 100%. Hate to see him go out like that. He should really consider going to other camps to hone his skills instead of being in isolation all the time. Like you said, striking should be high priority and bringing in Freddie Roach would be feasible to tune his boxing.
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
And yet, you see Royce Gracie do pretty much exactly that all of the time. Just because you are a good grappler doesn't mean that you don't get clubbed. He also leaves himself open toe the arm drag, but seriously, would Jake Shields be afraid of GSP armdragging him? Jake has a pretty decent single leg, apparently, but I think that he was getting pretty frustrated, which often leads to mistakes.

The difference with Royce was he is was a pure bjj guy, Bjj is noted for not having the best stand up grappling.Jake however considers what he does as american bjj which is a hybrid of bjj and wrestling the latter which does have good clinch fighting so his stand up wrestling shouldn't be anywhere as sloppy as royces.

Further jakes not a striking maestro granted but he has been doing it long enough to where he shouldnt be constantly stabbing people in the eye
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robert- Basically you are right, since the UFC is so one sided and really has a monopoly on MMA. Plus MMA isn't that big is the U.S.
Think about how many top tier fighters their are and could they fight every month? Then you get into payroll issues and fighter longevity.

The more you fight the shorter your career. Let's take a UFC A fighter. Someone like A.Silva or GSP they might fight two times a year but are in the fight scene for 12 years + active.
Take your average Muay thai champion for either stadium in Thailand their professional career is less than 1/2 of a UFC champion and have hundreds of fights.

As far as the eye poke it happens but it can be thrown on purpose as well.

Royce is not good example for anything anymore , like me he is out dated. Royce isn't a top tier fighter.

Finally for the cross face. You DONT tap to that. Lendo knows because he trains at my gym and that is a big fat no-no. I guess if I was grappling with Brock who is hulking compared to me , sure because he would squeeze my head of my shoulders. However someone in your own weight class, no way. I think the right word would be "pussy".
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Sometimes, you just tap to a crossface because that guy is so strong. I roll will a brown belt who is 225 lbs (as opposed to my 170 and bits, and my fighting weight is 145 or 155). The guy is really good, has great squeeze, and regular wins tournaments in the brown belt division, and also regularly taps out pretty experienced black belts (he will be moving to San Diego to train with Saulo Ribiero on a permanent basis this fall.) He also has a tremendous "squeeze", and has dislocated guy's jaws before. I'm not going to get my jaw dislocated in practice because I want to be a tough guy. And that is one thing I'm known for, if nothing else - having a lot of tolerance for pain. However, no-one has tolerance for a dislocated jaw. That is a fight ender.

Sure, tapping because of pain is pussy, but there's nothing smart or cool about not tapping when joints are going to get busted. Me, I like my food, and do not have any inclination to eat through a straw. And it's also disrespectful to make a training partner, or even a competitor, have to choose between relinquishing a submission, or seriously injuring you.

And like I said, this type of submission happens at the highest BJJ levels on a regular basis. Some guys have that much squeeze.
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^^lol. i hear you.
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I had written off UFC 130 as a waste of time when the Edgar-Maynard fight was scratched. After watching Countdown to UFC 130 last night, I'm changing my mind. I'm interested in quite a few of the main card fights. Except for the main event. I think Hamill is a gatekeeper, and I don't see a motivated Rampage having much problem beating him.
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I had written off UFC 130 as a waste of time when the Edgar-Maynard fight was scratched. After watching Countdown to UFC 130 last night, I'm changing my mind. I'm interested in quite a few of the main card fights. Except for the main event. I think Hamill is a gatekeeper, and I don't see a motivated Rampage having much problem beating him.

Yeah, the main event seems like the weakest draw. I'm on the fence about buying this one. On one hand, I would love to see Roy Nelson KTFO Frank Mir, and either way, that fight should be fun. On the other hand, the main event is sort of weak. I mean, Hamill has a chin, but his stand up is "unconventional", which is usually an MMA euphemism for piss poor, and because of this, his shot is really telegraphed. And none of the other fights are particularly compelling to me. I dunno. Someone convince me, either way.
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I;m looking forward to Thiago Alves vs Rick Story and Stefan Struve. Those guys are always pretty exciting. Looking forward to Jorge Santiago's return as well. A lot of stand up in this card, which is never a bad thing.

This interview between Rampage and Ariel was hilarious. Haha.
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post #4540 of 5436
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Yeah, the main event seems like the weakest draw. I'm on the fence about buying this one. On one hand, I would love to see Roy Nelson KTFO Frank Mir, and either way, that fight should be fun. On the other hand, the main event is sort of weak. I mean, Hamill has a chin, but his stand up is "unconventional", which is usually an MMA euphemism for piss poor, and because of this, his shot is really telegraphed. And none of the other fights are particularly compelling to me. I dunno. Someone convince me, either way.
I would not buy UFC 130. I probably would not buy any UFC PPV without a title fight for that matter, unless the main event was a #1 contender fight featuring a fighter I really liked. I think UFC 130 is worth the $5 cover at my local bar, however.
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I would not buy UFC 130. I probably would not buy any UFC PPV without a title fight for that matter, unless the main event was a #1 contender fight featuring a fighter I really liked. I think UFC 130 is worth the $5 cover at my local bar, however.

I use to feel this way as well. Any thoughts for the future of making the headline fight a 5 rounder even if there is no title on the line. I think it would be a reward for fans and fighters.
post #4542 of 5436
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I use to feel this way as well. Any thoughts for the future of making the headline fight a 5 rounder even if there is no title on the line. I think it would be a reward for fans and fighters.
I am against this idea because I don't think the benefits outweight the costs. An additional two rounds would lead to more injuries. And I don't want to see a fourth and fifth round if the outcome of the fight is not in doubt. I like the idea of a "sudden death" fourth round (like on TUF) in the unlikely event that the fight is a draw after three rounds.
post #4543 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post
I am against this idea because I don't think the benefits outweight the costs. An additional two rounds would lead to more injuries. And I don't want to see a fourth and fifth round if the outcome of the fight is not in doubt. I like the idea of a "sudden death" fourth round (like on TUF) in the unlikely event that the fight is a draw after three rounds.

Speaking of which, Bisping and Mayhem Miller for TUF 14. Both shit talkers, this will be one entertaining season.
post #4544 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
Speaking of which, Bisping and Mayhem Miller for TUF 14. Both shit talkers, this will be one entertaining season.
Ironically, both of them could use some additional training. That will be a fun fight though. I would like to see Machida coach against Keith Jardine. That would make for comedy gold, even though the outcome of that fight would be pretty much a foregone conclusion.
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Actually, I take that back. What would be comedy gold would be to have Leonard Garcia coach heavyweights against The Korean Zombie. "Strategy? I dunno. You go out there are go beserk for 3 rounds." "Our strategy is the same." They'd have to show about 3 fights per episode.
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