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post #4516 of 5436
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
It's actually not that difficult to get raked in the eyes if your opponent has his hands open, and is not really looking to land, but just to catch and counter, or, in Jake's case, catch and clinch. It's happened to me a fair number of times over the years. It's just one of those unfortunate things about using the open fingered gloves.

It also might look a lot worse and more intentional in slow motion. I think a lot of times Jake was trying to get some sort of clinch game going so he could try to get it to the mat. I think he was waving his hands at GSP's head in a vain and half-assed attempt to grab it.
post #4517 of 5436
Ben Henderson vs. Jim Miller is confirmed. Although not really the fight I'd like to see. I like Miller in this fight, but I swear the brass must hate Miller because they just won't give him a top tier fight. He honestly is the 3rd best LW IMO and should fight Melendez.
post #4518 of 5436
they're not going to start doing cross-promotional yet, it makes senses that he's fighting bendo who is no slouch...
post #4519 of 5436
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Originally Posted by AndrewRyanWallace View Post
they're not going to start doing cross-promotional yet, it makes senses that he's fighting bendo who is no slouch...

Yeah, Ben Henderson is no joke. I'd actually like to see Jim Miller up against Cerrone. Cerrone didn't looks terrific in his first UFC outing, but this seems to be the norm. The different size and geometry of the cage, etc...
post #4520 of 5436
The angel wings on bendo's back makes him rage
post #4521 of 5436
So I was watching the Steven Seagal trains Anderson Silva video, and saw where Seagal did a submission move on Silva's nose that looked pretty damn effective. It was pretty much a rear naked, except instead of putting your forearm on their throat you pull back on their nose. Just curious, has anyone ever seen this used in any mma fight?
post #4522 of 5436
maybe not legal?
post #4523 of 5436
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
It also might look a lot worse and more intentional in slow motion. I think a lot of times Jake was trying to get some sort of clinch game going so he could try to get it to the mat. I think he was waving his hands at GSP's head in a vain and half-assed attempt to grab it.

One of the first things they teach you about clinching is not to zombie arm it as its a good way to great dropped, Since jake is a acclaimed grappler he has no reason to be reaching like that if hes trying to clinch up.

I go on a mma board every once and a while and even the respected and knowledgeable coaches who post on there largely say those vids and gifs and pictures are far too incriminating. Especially the down turned thumb punch.
post #4524 of 5436
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Originally Posted by onion View Post
So I was watching the Steven Seagal trains Anderson Silva video, and saw where Seagal did a submission move on Silva's nose that looked pretty damn effective. It was pretty much a rear naked, except instead of putting your forearm on their throat you pull back on their nose.

Just curious, has anyone ever seen this used in any mma fight?
kind of like this


I don't think i've seen any tap form it in mma.Kind of like the can opener in that it hurts but doesnt make people quit that often.
post #4525 of 5436
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Originally Posted by onion View Post
So I was watching the Steven Seagal trains Anderson Silva video, and saw where Seagal did a submission move on Silva's nose that looked pretty damn effective. It was pretty much a rear naked, except instead of putting your forearm on their throat you pull back on their nose.

Just curious, has anyone ever seen this used in any mma fight?

Not in mma, but i've seen it done in bjj competitions. That, or a face crack when you can't get the rnc. Hurts like hell, but not sure how effective it'd be in a mma setting.
post #4526 of 5436
Holy fuck, Lesnar's diverticulitis has flared up, he's out of UFC 131 and now it's CARWIN VS JDS! edit: sorry Lesnar, hope you get better but we knew JDS was gonna tool you and this fight rocks!
post #4527 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Lendo View Post
Not in mma, but i've seen it done in bjj competitions. That, or a face crack when you can't get the rnc. Hurts like hell, but not sure how effective it'd be in a mma setting.

It works in MMA too. Actually, I think that the last incarnation was in the last Ultimate Fighter finale, done in a guillotine choke by that guy from Spokane against that English guy. He didn't have the neck, just had the jaw. Specialists can break your jaw just from the force of their squeeze, no joke. It happens at the Abudabi tournaments regularly too. Think about it, these guys practice squeezing with their arms all day. And the average MMA fighter does not have anywhere close to the amount of experience in fighting off submissions that pure BJJ and submission wrestlers have.

I'm not even a particularly good BJJ guy, and I've tapped guys out just by squeezing on the jaw. It's definitely a strength move. Another effective move that is legal in MMA, but not in BJJ or most submission grappling tournaments, is the neck crank, from either a guillotine or RNC position. Actually, I demonstrated how fast the guillotine version is on an SF member when j and I were in SF working on the new system. Once you've forced the neck into position (or tricked the guy into the position), the tap comes nearly immediately.
post #4528 of 5436
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Originally Posted by AndrewRyanWallace View Post
Holy fuck, Lesnar's diverticulitis has flared up, he's out of UFC 131 and now it's CARWIN VS JDS!



edit: sorry Lesnar, hope you get better but we knew JDS was gonna tool you and this fight rocks!

I'm going to give this to JDS if he can keep it on the feet and/or get up fast. Shane Carwin is a monster, but as we saw in his last fight, he is not particularly disciplined, and doesn't have a gas tank. JDS is a much better striker than anyone Carwin has fought before, much more of a disciplined striker (he is not going to go a charging forward a la Gabriel Gonzaga, and one with huge power in his hands to boot. Shane's chance is going to come in round 1, either by way of enormous haymaker (i.e. puncher's chance) or if he manages to GnP JDS to a TKO, which seems unlikely.

Of course, if Greg Jackson has somehow figured out how to make Shane Carwin into a smart fighter, as well as a powerful one, then all bets are off.
post #4529 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Barnabus View Post
One of the first things they teach you about clinching is not to zombie arm it as its a good way to great dropped, Since jake is a acclaimed grappler he has no reason to be reaching like that if hes trying to clinch up.

I go on a mma board every once and a while and even the respected and knowledgeable coaches who post on there largely say those vids and gifs and pictures are far too incriminating. Especially the down turned thumb punch.

And yet, you see Royce Gracie do pretty much exactly that all of the time. Just because you are a good grappler doesn't mean that you don't get clubbed. He also leaves himself open toe the arm drag, but seriously, would Jake Shields be afraid of GSP armdragging him? Jake has a pretty decent single leg, apparently, but I think that he was getting pretty frustrated, which often leads to mistakes.
post #4530 of 5436
Dam Brock is out....I'm a big fan but a realistic fan of his. He was probably going to knocked out by Dos Santos in the 2nd round. I hope he gets back to form...really want to see what he can do when he gets all of the skills together. Anyhow..if Jackson is behind Carwin's corner and he taught him how to fight smart...I have Carwin by the end of 2nd.
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