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Originally Posted by Biggskip View Post
Serious question: if you were to take on somebody who has fought in the UFC in the past 12 months, had 50 lbs on the guy, trained with professionals for 6 months, could use any move you wanted (eye gouges, fish hooking, testicle, etc.), and your opponent was limited to UFC rules, do you think you could win?
Well, first of all, I'm going to assume that I am 50 lbs heavier at fighting weight than my opponent. I actually competed at 145 lbs and 155 lbs. Right now, I'd have to cut to just make 170 lbs. But realistically, 160-165 lbs is a good walking around weight for me. So, I'm going to forgo the 50 lbs weight difference, because there is no 115 weight category, or 105 lb division. Let's say that I'd fight a smaller bantamweight (135 lbs) and that I'd get to walk in at a lean 165 lbs. My kickboxing is not terrible. That, and some ground and pound, was my bread and butter when I competed. My submissions tend to be sloppy, which has led to many sweeps (though, really, more in practice than in competition.) My defensive BJJ is not terrible, and I train regularly against true middle and heavyweights with significant competitive experience, both cage, gi, and no-gi submission wrestling. If I could handpick an opponent, it would be a BJJ guy with limited striking, and poor takedowns. Even then, and even with the significant size advantage, I'd probably be taken to the cleaners, and fast. I was actually talking about this with j the other day. I am 4 degrees removed from a solid beating by a (former, pretty good) UFC fighter. My last loss (by spectacular, overhand right KO) was to a guy who did well in a smaller promotion in Southern California. (This was all back in 2001, when this stuff was just taking off). He later lost to a guy who did well in Cage Rage, who was than legally murdered when he got a shot at the UFC. So, I was KO'd by a guy who was beaten by a guy who was beaten by a guy who had a shot in the UFC, and got slaughtered in the big show. So, 4 degrees removed. This is not so great, since, iirc, everyone in the world is separated by, at least, 6 degrees. I don't believe that I took this question so seriously.
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Matt & LA, please weigh in on my question regarding the perception SF being a bad puchase for the UFC if the "champions" there get dominated by UFC fighters.
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Stayed up til 2am this morning watching The Fighter. Awesome movie.
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
Matt & LA, please weigh in on my question regarding the perception SF being a bad puchase for the UFC if the "champions" there get dominated by UFC fighters.
I don't know that there is much to say. I mean, is there really any doubt that they bought the minor league? Very few guys there could hang in the UFC - I mean Hendo was less than impressive there (2-3 with a split decision in there that could have gone either way) and now has a belt around his waist again. Diaz yup, but then what? I like Melendez, but I don't think he can hang in a pretty stacked UFC LW division. Jake Shields was the golden boy, but he gets his ass handed to him in a week or so. Yup, they have Fedor, well past his prime, and a few other decent heavyweights, any of whom they could have acquired with less money than they spent on the buyout. For the time being though, there won't be any champions there anywhere near UFC fighters, so we won't really see it happen til they work out how they plan to swallow it. WEC they let the bigger weights wither, swallowed the lighter. Pride they killed it all and kept anyone who they thought was PPV saleable. Maybe that will be the long term SF plan, but for the time being I think they will just status-quo it and use it as free advertising on Showtime for UFCs PPVs.
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Originally Posted by Matt View Post
tuf13=non event...

what he said
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Does anyone think that Jake Shields has a chance against GSP next weekend? Conventional wisdom is that the only way Shields wins this fight is by a submission from the top position. I don't see it happening -- GSP's takedown defense is too strong -- but stranger things have happened. One thing's for sure: Shields is going to be relentless in his pursuit of the takedown, and is not going to try to strike with GSP like Koscheck did. If Shields does get a takedown, GSP is in big trouble.
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If GSP shows up stoned, Shields will almost have a puncher's chance.
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Originally Posted by Matt View Post
If GSP shows up stoned, Shields will almost have a puncher's chance.
good one!
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GSP hasn't lost a round in what 2yrs, I don't think the guy who struggled against Martin Kampmann is going to break that streak. This reminds me of when a bunch of people were saying that Vitor Belfort had a chance against Anderson Silva.

GSP wins and doesn't break a sweat doing so.
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He has a chance. Not a good one, but he's no scrub. I don't see him being able to take GSP down and work from the top. His guard game should be tops, but again I don't really see GSP giving up a limb and getting subbed. And on the feet GSP will work him like a second job.

Gsp can take Jake down at will and could finish him on the ground as well.

GSP 3rd round tko.
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they have noone to put him up against so they hype up shitty fighters to make everyone think its a match worth paying for.

next up...GSP vs random homeless guy! dont count out Random homeless guy, in 10th grade he layed out his gym teacher in a spectacular fashion, it was really something! 2 years ago he beat up a mall security cop and ended it with a rear choke! was fantastic. were really excited about this match up boys'!!

dana: you know dont ever count out random homeless guy, hes tough, hes been in some battles. we really think hes got a chance. i wouldnt just throw him in there if we didnt think it was going to be a battle. these guys are pros!

GSP: random homeless guy is my greatest match up yet, since celin dion. im really training my hardest i have ever trained because he is a real tough guy eh!
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sort of true....he's has long since cleaned up welter. Either middleweights have to drop, catchweights have to happen or he has to start eating. Him and Anderson is the superfight people have been talking about forever, although I think the size difference is just too large.
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Originally Posted by Matt View Post
sort of true....he's has long since cleaned up welter. Either middleweights have to drop, catchweights have to happen or he has to start eating.

Him and Anderson is the superfight people have been talking about forever, although I think the size difference is just too large.

+1. If he moved up to MW he'd get killed, and if Silva moved up to LHW he'd get killed by Jones. I remember some people saying that Jones should fight at HW and apparently that's his plan in 2-4 years. Probably 4 from what I heard on ESPN the other day.
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So much for time off. Jones injured, now Phil Davis vs. Rashad Evans. Better fight anyway IMO. As I don't know hands down who will win this unlike Evans vs. Jones.
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Bwahahahahaha! This is great! "Sorry Tito, no one likes you."
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