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post #4426 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
10-8 Round with the point deduction. Keith won round one and Mousasi won the other 2 28-28 was the right call.

Mousasi would get killed if he did anything in the UFC.

I dunno, Keith got four takedowns and did nothing else. Mousasi landed a lot of shots. If anything it was 10-9 Mousasi -1 for the upkick (stupid ruling) = 9 - 9. No way the other rounds were anything other than 10-9 for Mousasi.

I think Mousasi is still underrated, and would definitely be a top 10 lhw in the UFC. Probably wouldn't make too much deeper than that though, unless he seriously works his tdd and wrestling.
post #4427 of 5436
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Originally Posted by AndrewRyanWallace View Post
I dunno, Keith got four takedowns and did nothing else. Mousasi landed a lot of shots. If anything it was 10-9 Mousasi -1 for the upkick (stupid ruling) = 9 - 9. No way the other rounds were anything other than 10-9 for Mousasi.

I think Mousasi is still underrated, and would definitely be a top 10 lhw in the UFC. Probably wouldn't make too much deeper than that though, unless he seriously works his tdd and wrestling.

I think he's just out of the top 10. 11 or 12 currently. He couldn't put Jardine away and Jardine took the fight on less than 2 weeks notice. If Jardine had a proper camp I don't think he was have gassed so quickly.
post #4428 of 5436
Don't think the stoppage was early on the Diaz fight...big John is widely considered the best ref out there and has seen a lot of fights and knows what he's doing out there. On Diaz, the guy is continually overlooked in the top P4P. IMO, I think he's at the very least bottom half of the top 10. While he may not be GSP level, I would absolutely love to see him against the "second" tier welterweights in the UFC...Fitch, Koscheck, even Hughes or Penn. Be interesting to see him tested against strong wrestlers but the guys striking is near the level of Anderson Silva in terms of accuracy. He's certainly not as dynamic or devastating but he connects with a high percentage and like LA said, it wears you down.
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just watched it. Couple of areas of controversy... 1. no issue with the stoppage in the Diaz fight. It seems the only objection to it is that it came close to the bell. Sorry, no sympathy from me there. He was getting pummelled, took him ages to be able to stand up again, and nowhere in the rules does it place a statute of limitations on seconds-left-til-rounds'-end for stoppages. John stopped it, it was the right call, and how long left in the round has no bearing on the decision. 2. I was surprised at the commentators going off like that at the Mousasi decision. Early in the second round they were discussing 'how would you score the first, did Jardine's takedowns outweigh the punches landed by Mousasi?' and they were uncertain. 2 judges saw it Jardine's way, toss in a point deduction, and then ONLY way Mousasi can win from there is to take both of the following rounds (which he did) including winning one of them 10-8 (which he did not). Mathematically that is the ONLY way to win other than KO/stoppage/sub. He should have known that, his corner should have made it clear that round 1 could have gone either way, and he should have been in there for the kill, to either end the fight, or make sure that judges saw complete dominance for a 10-8. This opens up two other areas. 1. the 10 point must scoring system just does not work for 3 round fights. It's designed for boxers going 10, 12, 15 rounds, and basically kinda sorta works there. Even if you are able to solve the issues with 'is a takedown worth more than seven leg kicks' (which boxing doesn't really face), the fact that when deployed over three rounds, you are going to get decisions like this where one guy has had his ass handed to him, and still gets out with a win (or in this case, a draw). 2. wtf is up with the upkick/downed opponent rule. Yes, I get that that rule was to stop Pride style soccer kicks to downed dudes, but in a scenario like that where you ARE the downed dude, the other guy is the UP dude, but happens to have a knee on the ground, it's pretty ridiculous.
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post #4431 of 5436
^lol. Someone needs to teach Laraque a single leg.
post #4432 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Pennglock View Post
^lol. Someone needs to teach Laraque a single leg.
lol. Someone needs to teach Laraque elementary takedown defense. He repeatedly grabs onto GSPs body, which is instinctive, but is not going to ever keep someone from taking you down. What this shows is that good technique is not instinctive, and that a takedown is the best way to neutralize a big opponent. Pretty cool of Laraque to show up though. That takes some confidence.
post #4433 of 5436
Serious question: if you were to take on somebody who has fought in the UFC in the past 12 months, had 50 lbs on the guy, trained with professionals for 6 months, could use any move you wanted (eye gouges, fish hooking, testicle, etc.), and your opponent was limited to UFC rules, do you think you could win?
post #4434 of 5436
Fuck no.

Those guys would still make mince meat out of me. No way is 6 months and cheap shots enough against decades of fighting professionally. In my case at least.
post #4435 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Biggskip View Post
Serious question: if you were to take on somebody who has fought in the UFC in the past 12 months, had 50 lbs on the guy, trained with professionals for 6 months, could use any move you wanted (eye gouges, fish hooking, testicle, etc.), and your opponent was limited to UFC rules, do you think you could win?
If ball shots are allowed, I have a puncher's/kicker's chance. If ball shots are not allowed, the fight will resemble the fight between Randy Couture and James Toney. Except much quicker.
post #4436 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post
If ball shots are allowed, I have a puncher's/kicker's chance. If ball shots are not allowed, the fight will resemble the fight between Randy Couture and James Toney. Except much quicker.

Which weightclass would you be fighting at?

I think I would probably be at WW. Also, I would lose badly.
post #4437 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
Which weightclass would you be fighting at?

I think I would probably be at WW. Also, I would lose badly.
If you're at WW, that means that guy you're fighting is only 120 lbs. In order to fight at that level, he's going to have to be very short which mean that you're probably going to have a large reach, height, and strength advantage.
post #4438 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Biggskip View Post
If you're at WW, that means that guy you're fighting is only 120 lbs. In order to fight at that level, he's going to have to be very short which mean that you're probably going to have a large reach, height, and strength advantage.

I forgot I was fighting at a 50lb advantage.

On another note, this year started off so strong with a lot of good bouts, we certainly are in a dry season now. I saw a couple of articles about Melendez' next fight being against someone from SF and I have to ask, Why?? They have no depth at LW, who is he going to fight KJ Noons?? Are the people lining up to see the KJ Noons Melendez fight? I doubt it. I guess the problem is that if Dana sends someone like a Jim Miller over to fight Melendez and Miller completely crushes him (which is what I think would happen) the UFC will look like fools for paying all that money for an organization that has a bunch of gatekeepers at best.

Am I wrong?
post #4439 of 5436
^Yeah you're wrong, first of all Strikeforce has a very substantial following and makes good money, one of many reasons why they haven't been assimilated into the UFC. Second, Miller would probably not destroy Melendez, it would probably a very good fight though. Lastly, it's not a dry spell dude, the last strikeforce event was great and UFC129 is next weekend.
post #4440 of 5436
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Originally Posted by AndrewRyanWallace View Post
^Yeah you're wrong, first of all Strikeforce has a very substantial following and makes good money,
hard to say. Revenues are around $30 million, but the organisation has not disclosed its expenses nor its cash reserves. It could have 28 million in bad debt, 40 million in expenses, and a bank balance that is counted out in coins for all we know. Revenue is ticket sales, TV deal and sponsorships, and I can't imagine Full Tilt Poker is going to be a great pay-master at the moment... No PPV, although Dana White has said it is possible for the heavyweight GP final. Given that they got over a million viewers for the Fedor fight, that seems like a smart move. So does it make "good money" - hard to say. 30 million in billings isn't chump change, but it is far from a full picture. The real value for Zuffa isn't in its financials, nor in PPV potential for future, nor in the roster of fighters (about 130 IIRC, a lot of whom are just UFC discards, but notably including Fedor, which would be a nice moral victory for Zuffa to have swallowed his contract in the end), but in the Showtime TV deal.
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one of many reasons why they haven't been assimilated into the UFC.
yet. They haven't been assimilated into the UFC yet. Very hard to predict what will happen with that. It took them four years to bring WEC under the UFC banner, this deal is only a month old.
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