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post #3061 of 5436
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Originally Posted by jhva3 View Post
Yeah, I think Fedor's been having a lot of contract issues. Not really sure what the deal is, but I'm pretty sure he requires some astronomical amount of money to fight. I could see him walking away, but where would he go? UFC is making it pretty clear they're not going to pay him the money he wants.

Dana has gone on record saying he has a huge man crush on Fedor and wants to sign him in a bad way. The UFC also offered a shit load of money, likely more than SF, to fight. The hang up is co-promotion with M-1, broadcasting in foreign markets, and the championship clause. Mostly though it's number one, co-promotion.

I actually think Dana wants to sign him because he thinks the UFC heavies can beat him. Once Fedor loses the mystique is gone and it sends and undeniable message that the best and the brightest are all in the UFC, where ever Fedor ends up. And if they don't, well he has the best asset in MMA, an absolute killer who never has boring fights.
post #3062 of 5436
^ Do you think any of the HW in the UFC could beat Fedor?
post #3063 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Slopho View Post
^ Do you think any of the HW in the UFC could beat Fedor?

Yes. Fedor can be beat. I think he would be the favorite in any match up but there are some really solid guys in the UFC. Fedor has not fought a lot of really big, really skilled guys, and he has not fought a huge wrestler with dynamite in his hands like Carwin.
The game has changed and the level of athleticism of the super huge wrestling based fighters that are dominating the HW ranks right now present a new challenge.
The way to beat him would seem to be press him against the cage and work a take down. Use weight and skill to keep him on his back and pound away hoping for a stoppage. Rogers came close and a better wrestler combined with an overzelous ref could be trouble. Of course neither Mark Coleman nor Kevin Randleman were able to do that. However, while those guys are very very good wrestlers neither is that big.
That said, I think Fedor could tag any of those guys and he hits hard and with the intent to kill. I also think he has a good chin, really tight Judo skills, and a really aggressive ground game. I'm always amazed at how Fedor can toss around much bigger guys. In the Rogers fight he just tossed him to the ground twice even though he was giving up 60 or more pounds so he has shown he has the skill to manhandle huge guys.
People don't give him a lot of credit for beating up AA but AA is big, athletic guy with a really good, modern camp, and I think that win is his best in several years.
Lastly Fedor is really aggressive and goes in there trying to win from jump street. Fighters tend to comment on how much more, more strong, more fast, more mean, more violent, just more fucking badass Fedor is than any other fighter they have fought.
So sure I could imagine Fedor loosing but I could also imagine him knocking both Brock and Carwin's huge plodding asses out in about 60 sec. In fact I would like nothing better than seeing Fedor throw one of those haymakers that starts a state away and landing it square on Brock's huge steroid jaw and sending him back to the WWF.

Hopefully Dana can come through it and we get to see it.
post #3064 of 5436
Is anyone going to watch WEC 48 or can we start hyping up UFC 113 now?

I think the UFC is making a huge mistake making the WEC event a PPV. MMA fans are used to getting free WEC, and Aldo and Faber are not big enough names to get anyone other than the most fervent WEC fanboy to pay up.
post #3065 of 5436
Faber? He's a big name, all right. WEC may not get the draw that a big UFC card does, but this card may well be the one to kick-start WEC ppv.
post #3066 of 5436
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
Dana has gone on record saying he has a huge man crush on Fedor and wants to sign him in a bad way. The UFC also offered a shit load of money, likely more than SF, to fight. The hang up is co-promotion with M-1, broadcasting in foreign markets, and the championship clause. Mostly though it's number one, co-promotion.

I actually think Dana wants to sign him because he thinks the UFC heavies can beat him. Once Fedor loses the mystique is gone and it sends and undeniable message that the best and the brightest are all in the UFC, where ever Fedor ends up. And if they don't, well he has the best asset in MMA, an absolute killer who never has boring fights.

Yeah but isn't all that co-promotion stuff cash-related? Like don't you think if they paid him the same amount he would get while they co-promoted with M-1 he would be fine with it?

I think the UFC heavies have a shot against him. Brock and Carwin, maybe even Cain. He would murder Mir and he already murdered big Nog in his prime. I think the interesting thing is that Fedor isn't really even a true heavyweight. He's six foot nothing tops and weighs in at around 233. Brock is in the cage at about 280. That is a huge, huge disparity, especially when you consider that Fedor probably has about 30 pounds of fat on his gut. If he got in shape and fought at light heavy he would be terrifying. Then again, part of the appeal is seeing him murder juiced up monsters. I'd love to see him fight Lashley.
post #3067 of 5436
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Originally Posted by jhva3 View Post
Yeah but isn't all that co-promotion stuff cash-related? Like don't you think if they paid him the same amount he would get while they co-promoted with M-1 he would be fine with it?

One would think.
I know that Dana has said he offered Fedor something like 3-4 million per fight.
The problem is that M1 is a money ticket and a major in for Fedor's management and its hard to put a value on that. His managers are also hella scetchy Russians and they keep Fedor completely separated from any and all negotiations. It is entirely possible that they are robbing Fedor blind and using him as an in for M1 is one way of doing that. Fedor's brother Alex has said that they are cheating Fedor and using him.
Really its hard to say. Fedor's managers are well known for being a pain in the ass, taking any and everyone for all that they can, and making crazy demands and wanting total control of Fedor and every aspect of his career.
Dana is also a control freak, a liar, and an egomaniac so good information is hard to come by as concerns the state of negotiations and any past offers.
post #3068 of 5436
If the UFC topped heavyweight out at 245 and created a superheavyweight for everyone above that, fedor would go unbeaten for the rest of his life. Fedor isn't looking to get ripped or cut to LHW. There's a reason for his fat and his aimless glance and it's because death rides a pale horse and he's taking it for a dump.
post #3069 of 5436
I wish I could type better.

Fedor will more than likely crush both Carwin and Lesner. Fedors timimg is just that good right now. Carwin is good but I believe in all the fights he has had he has been lucky or timing was on his side. With that being said he would only have luck with Fedor. Not that thats not enough but let's face it. Fedor's punching power and timing is his ticket and right now he doesn't look like Henderson or Moussoui both of those fuckers fought like total shit. They gave away the fights. I wondered myself for a minute if they were throwing the fights.
I thought maybe age but Henderson did some really dumb shit in that fight and mousssoui isn't worth talking about.
I am still mind boggled.
post #3070 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post
Is anyone going to watch WEC 48 or can we start hyping up UFC 113 now?

I think the UFC is making a huge mistake making the WEC event a PPV. MMA fans are used to getting free WEC, and Aldo and Faber are not big enough names to get anyone other than the most fervent WEC fanboy to pay up.

Im not sure everyone equates the WEC as a UFC subsidiary. Also WEC events for the most part have been much more fun to watch than UFCs PPV outings. They may not have the billable names just yet but people are catching on. I would pay* to watch Aldo (their biggest talent) fight Faber (their biggest name) and I'm not really a WEC head.


**cover at a bar.
post #3071 of 5436
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Originally Posted by jhva3 View Post
Yeah but isn't all that co-promotion stuff cash-related? Like don't you think if they paid him the same amount he would get while they co-promoted with M-1 he would be fine with it?

you're thinking like an American. Stop that immediately. Start thinking like a Russian.

This has nothing to do with money, they are in it for pride. Fedor would fight in the UFC for free if M1 could get co-promotion rights, it is all about face.

They are holding him back from Strikeforce now because even when Strikeforce yielded and called the event 'M1 Strikeforce' they didn't feel like they were recognised enough in media and online for Their Involvement in co-promoting it.
post #3072 of 5436
For the record I like Shields, and really enjoyed the fight. He was definitely not lnp'ing as he kept improving his position almost always ending up in mount. I just hate it when guys lie in a guard for the whole round, if the guy is able to move to side control or mount and get shots in I'm happy, whether or not they are able to finish the fight from that position. Oh and I believe Shields is better at 170, so seeing him control Hendo like that, a guy who's 185-205, was pretty impressive.
post #3073 of 5436
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
One would think.
I know that Dana has said he offered Fedor something like 3-4 million per fight.
The problem is that M1 is a money ticket and a major in for Fedor's management and its hard to put a value on that. His managers are also hella scetchy Russians and they keep Fedor completely separated from any and all negotiations. It is entirely possible that they are robbing Fedor blind and using him as an in for M1 is one way of doing that. Fedor's brother Alex has said that they are cheating Fedor and using him.
Really its hard to say. Fedor's managers are well known for being a pain in the ass, taking any and everyone for all that they can, and making crazy demands and wanting total control of Fedor and every aspect of his career.
Dana is also a control freak, a liar, and an egomaniac so good information is hard to come by as concerns the state of negotiations and any past offers.

4 million? I've never seen anyone get over a million when they show the payouts online. Is there some sort of other compensation that they get, or were they just willing to give Fedor way more money than anyone else?
post #3074 of 5436
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Originally Posted by mgoose View Post
For the record I like Shields, and really enjoyed the fight. He was definitely not lnp'ing as he kept improving his position almost always ending up in mount. I just hate it when guys lie in a guard for the whole round, if the guy is able to move to side control or mount and get shots in I'm happy, whether or not they are able to finish the fight from that position.

Oh and I believe Shields is better at 170, so seeing him control Hendo like that, a guy who's 185-205, was pretty impressive.

Shields apparently walks around at over 190, and he looked as big, if not bigger, than Hendo. While Shields did not LnP in the usual way, he didn't really try to advance to a submission until the end of every round. It's good BJJ strategy that every coach will preach (position first, wait for the submission to come), but I can see why it's seen as playing it safe. And there was never really any chance of his pounding Hendo out. By the same token, Hendo played his escapes safe too.
post #3075 of 5436
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Originally Posted by jhva3 View Post
4 million? I've never seen anyone get over a million when they show the payouts online. Is there some sort of other compensation that they get, or were they just willing to give Fedor way more money than anyone else?

There have traditionally been locker room bonus' and some fighters also get a ppv cut. Dana finds a way to take care of his fighters. Xyence is in some ways funded by Zuffa and they sponsor a lot of fighters. Some have speculated that a Xyence sponsorship is a back door way for Zuffa to pay chosen fighters on the sly.
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