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post #2086 of 5436
I dont know much about MMA but shogun looked way better to me. Fight was his, not close imo.

Even if they rematch wont lyoto then have adjusted to shogun's gameplan?
post #2087 of 5436
^^nah.
This goes back to mauy thai vs karate. He wont be able to get around the counter striking that quickly. As long as Rua does rush him to much he will be able to pick lyoto apart.
I am sure as we speak Lyoto legs are not feeling to happy.

everyone is saying how great Spencers striking is but in that fight it was pure garbage. His range was off and so was his timing. I haven't watched many of his fights but that one was bad.
post #2088 of 5436
Epic fight, either way.
post #2089 of 5436
Anyone have a link to the fight?
post #2090 of 5436
This is a working link, even has Dream 12 up.
http://kimjudas.blogspot.com/
post #2091 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Mauro View Post
^^nah.
This goes back to mauy thai vs karate. He wont be able to get around the counter striking that quickly. As long as Rua does rush him to much he will be able to pick lyoto apart.
I am sure as we speak Lyoto legs are not feeling to happy.

Yeah, Lyoto's legs are going to hurt.

In the rematch, like I wrote before, both fighters are going to be look pretty different. Shogun's counterstriking was nearly perfect last night. Lyoto is going to realize that his usual in and out is not going to work with Shogun. I really like the leading leg kick, and it is very fast and very good for counters. It's not as powerful as the back leg kick (obviously), but certainly it was enough to neutralize Lyoto's ability to fight like score at will, which means that Lyoto is going to have to look to do a lot more with each flurry than he normally has, since in a fight with Shogun, he is not going to avoid damage to the body together, but will have to look to minimize it. Shogun looked only outclassed when Kyoto rushed him, and let his hands go once the distance was closed. Lyoto also has to respect the punching of Shogun, so he is going to have to clinch after each flurry (like he did after he was tagged). Either that, or he closes the distance and goes for a leg sweep, a la KO of Thiago Silva. Normally, Lyoto finds his opponent's rhythm and then beats his opponent to *every single* punch. He is not going to be able to do this with Shogun. He will be able to find Shogun's rhythm (he had him a few times last night,) but he is going to have to reconcile himself to the fact that he will take a bit of damage. Luckily for him, Lyoto has one of the best Muy Thai fighters in the world as a training partner and best friend, his "brother", as Anderson Silva has said on several occasions. I don't think that anyone could think of a better person to prepare for the rematch with than AS.

On the other hand, Shogun is going to realize that he is going to need to try to take out Lyoto altogether if he is going to get a definitive nod, sort of like Lyoto started realizing starting with the Tito fight. I also think that he realizes that Lyoto is going to have to make himself a little more vulnerable by staying within the pocket a little more than he is used to in order to avoid punishment to the body, and also that last night, he got the worse of those exchanges, both in the clinch and when he got pushed up to the cage, but that his power can compensate for that as long as he can get active in those positions. Last night, Lyoto's corner told him in the second and third rounds to get Shogun's hands stationary - which he did by pushing the action, and not giving Shogun the opportunity to get his hands out of a defensive position very effectively during the more prolonged exchanges. This ability to throw a lot of punches in the pocket and then get out is a little different than most point fighters, who are good at darting in and out, but don't throw lots of combinations. Now that Shogun has been able to find a counter to the principle weapon Lyoto uses, it is time for him to work with some top tier K-1 guys, who can throw the same way that Lyoto does, to negate the second weapon.

In either case, a great fight, and I have high hopes for the next. Actually, I would love to see Anderson Silva fight this version of Shogun.
post #2092 of 5436
Even though I knew the outcome when I watched the video today I was still shocked at the decision. Rua got robbed.
post #2093 of 5436
i was so mad last night, if i was rua i'd run up to the judges table and smack the shit out of all of them.
post #2094 of 5436
^^+1 i was yelling at the refs but for some reason they couldn't hear me!
post #2095 of 5436
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Originally Posted by Johnny_5 View Post
Even though I knew the outcome when I watched the video today I was still shocked at the decision. Rua got robbed.

As was I - but that should make the rematch even better.
post #2096 of 5436
If I was Rua I would have said I wanted a rematch against Machida and the judges. How the fuck can Griffin get the title from Rampage in their fight, then Rua is robbed in his fight?
post #2097 of 5436
this is the first time in a while that the belt has been defended. Chalk me up on the shogun robbed list. I was pertty sure he'd be robbed if it went the distance....
post #2098 of 5436
My god Alistair Overeem is huge. He was always big, very big. But now he is substantially bigger.
post #2099 of 5436
In other news, the dead walk.

http://kimjudas.blogspot.com/

Sakuraba may be 500 years old and held together with duct tape but the man has heart.
post #2100 of 5436
lol, yeah Saku's fight would've been stopped in the ufc. Glad to see him winning atleast.

Anyone have info on a K-1 max live stream?
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