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Jay kos, in nyc, whats the deal?

post #1 of 14
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had some time in between appts. yesterday, so I stopped in the new Jay Kos store on Park and 58th. Having been an admirerer and owner of Edward Green shoes, I was checking out their collection. To my surprise, I noticed that they were charging about $1000 for the oxfords, and $1300 for any boot models. I had custom ordered a pair of banbury boots, in dark oak antique, from a store in Greenwich, ct. last summer, at a cost of $695. The banburys that Jay Kos had were listed at $1300. Whats the deal here? I know Polo carries Edward Greens at a fair markup, about $850, but at least you get the shoe trees and I suppose the cache of that purple lining, if thats what you are into. But $1300 seemed absurd. How can they do this? Has anyone else on the forum had any experience with the store?
post #2 of 14
The store has been discussed a few times before. The only thread I know of about the new store (started by yours truly) is linked below. I think the general feeling is semi snotty service and very high prices. http://www.styleforum.net/cgi-bin....;hl=kos
post #3 of 14
What's the "deal" with Jay Kos? Well, the last thing you're going to get at Jay Kos is a "deal." I purchased 2 pair of Thurston suspenders at Kos that were exhorbitantly and unconscionably priced---My tailor is friends with the US distributor of Thurston suspenders and he nearly s*hit when he learned the markup that Kos gets. Also interesting, I purchased the 2 pair of identical suspenders 2 separate times (1 pr. each time), and the second purchase was more expensive than the first. I just didn't have it in me to question them why, but I won't shop there again. Big rip-off.
post #4 of 14
I have a voice mail from their Lexington Ave branch quoting $1,500 to order the EG Halifax boot. I play it whenever I need a laugh. I believe the EG pricing at Saks is a bit more 'normal' (e.g. Olney at $795). I've been advised in other topics that, if you know what you want, your best bet is to order directly. Back to Jay Kos, I believe everything they sell is of high quality, but like everyone else I remain baffled at their pricing.
post #5 of 14
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Having been an admirerer and owner of Edward Green shoes, I was checking out their collection. To my surprise, I noticed that they were charging about $1000 for the oxfords, and $1300 for any boot models. I had custom ordered a pair of banbury boots, in dark oak antique, from a store in Greenwich, ct. last summer, at a cost of $695. The banburys that Jay Kos had were listed at $1300. Whats the deal here?
I'm not going to defend Jay Kos's pricing here because that's a pretty egregious compared to other retailers. However, do note that the US Dollar has been eroding significantly in value vis a vis the British Pound since 2001 and especially since September, 2003; so everybody's prices on Edward Green shoes are liable to rise. Which store in Greenwich, by the way?
post #6 of 14
Richards in Greenwich. EGs are also available at Mitchell's in Westport, Ct. Same owners. Both nice stores. I prefer Greenwich, as the town center offers lots, while Mitchell's in Westport is strictly a drive-to establishment. Greenwich Avenue in Greenwich center offers very nice shopping and a strolling pleasure.
post #7 of 14
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Greenwich Avenue in Greenwich center offers very nice shopping and a strolling pleasure.
I love Richards and love Greenwich Ave--Word of caution: Do not cross the street on Greenwich Ave. without first being waived on by the traffic cop or else you risk being the best-dressed man in the Greenwich "pokey"
post #8 of 14
I'm going to a voice of dissent here. I got great service at Kos, and paid less than I thought I would for 2 pairs of socks and a pair of Thurston braces... And I got completely ignored the one time I went to Richards, and found things myself (again a couple of pairs of socks) at Mitchells. Don't want to bag on them, as they have a great reputation, and it was in the midst of the Christmas season. But it was also the middle of the afternoon, and neither store was particularly busy.
post #9 of 14
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Yes, it was Richard's that I have placed all of my Green custom orders. An extremely nice lady named Arlyne has helped me there for a few years. I give her the size, model, leather etc. for the shoes, she places the order, and the wait begins. About 12 weeks later my shoes show up. Ive ordered 2 pairs from her, the first being a pair of chestnut antique Cardiff, which I was charged $695.00, and the second a pair of dark oak antigue banbury boots, which I was surprisingly also charged $695.00 (I assumed the boots would be a bit more, but was pleasantly surprised). I have a third pair on order right now, a pair of Halifax boots, in walnut country grain, and those will be $695.00 also. compare that to Jay Kos, who told me it would be $1300.00 for the identical pair of boots. I was always under the assumption that Jay Kos is more of a broker, in that they dont actually produce anything on there own. Am I correct? If so, I would also assume anything they have can be gotten elsewhere, unless they put their own spin on it, kind of like how Paul Stuart sells Grensons, but in models only available to them. Either way, it was an odd store. And I really didnt like how I had to be buzzed in, like it was a high end jewel store. I got the impresssion that if I wasnt well dressed, they wouldnt have buzzed me in.
post #10 of 14
I have never really understood why some places require us to be "buzzed" in. They might as well make it by appointment only, if the concern is having too many customers to help at a given time. Or is it for security purposes? It's been some time since I've been to a place where I had to be buzzed in, but I don't recall - do they have to "buzz" us out as well?
post #11 of 14
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Yes, I had to be buzzed out, as well as in. Couldnt be becuase of fear of too many customers, at least not at Jay Kos. I walk past it every day and I dont think I have ever seen more than 3 people in there at any given time. I suppose the whole buzz in/buzz out thing is to give the store a sense of exclusivity. But to be honest, its just annoying.
post #12 of 14
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Yes, it was Richard's that I have placed all of my Green custom orders.
Does Richards have a have a decent selection of EG shoes in stock, i.e. multiple models in different lasts, to determine fit for the first time buyer?
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Richards carries about 6 EG models. They range from the Chelsea, in a few colors of brown (chestnut, dark oak), to the Dover (generally in a pebble grain and dainite sole), to the Emsley, (in black and perhaps dark oak),to a few pairs of loafers, which dont interest me so I havent paid them much attention. As far as the lasts go, the Chelseas are 202 last, and the Dovers 606. the loafers may be a third last, but I cannot verify that. As far as availablity of sizes in the store, they have a pretty wide range of sizes, and claim that they always carry each model in every size. Additionally, they have some sales every so often, and have picked up a pair or two at almost 50% off. Hope this helps.
post #14 of 14
Thanks for the info. I gave them a call and they don't stock wider widths. I usually need an E or EE width
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