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Has anyone else seen this show? It's basically trying to take a bunch of guys who think they're pretty hood and trying to make them into gentleman who dress, walk, talk, and act like an Ask Andy'ites. The host is Farnsworth Bentley, a pretty articulate, intelligent, and well-dressed guy who's trying to mold these guys into little mini-me's This show is really promoting some horrible stereotypes and making hip-hop in general look retarded though. I watched a few minutes of an episode where he wanted these guys to mingle with his Japanese "business partners" (which were pretty obviously bad actors.) It went something like this: "Japanese Guy: I am Mr Yamamoto Contestant: Nice to meet you. I'm Shotta, that's E6, and beside him is D-Boy." If you're not a rapper or in a street-gang, just use your government name. How long did it take them to find a contestant this dumb (he's homeless and lives in his car.... a mercedes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5zBHP7JF0M There are alot of dumb reality shows, but this really stepped it up. I can't remember the last tv show that promoted as many negative racial stereotypes as this.
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why is it racial stereo types? either people will say its not racial, its social class. now its racial, even though theres white and spanish people on it? i actually like it and think its funny how stupid they are.
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MTV has the worst programming of any network. Their "shows" are about 10-12 minutes on average with about 20 minutes of commercials. It's an advertising forum for the generation retarded.
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I always wonder where they find these people. I spend much of my time in all Black neighborhoods or around family and friends and rarely come acroos people like this. Bad as they are they aren't as bad as the I Love NY folks.
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i dont spend much of my time in black neighbourhoods, or with black people. but during my basketball years and all my time spent with peope who think theyre gangsta and ghetto. i could fill a show up with these people in no time. especially when youre put on a show and everyone is trying to out ghetto the next, it makes them all look even worse than if you had a normal conversation with them on the street.
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why is it racial stereo types? either people will say its not racial, its social class. now its racial, even though theres white and spanish people on it? i actually like it and think its funny how stupid they are.
I know there are white contestants on the show as well, but I doubt its young white males as a whole that are going to have their image tarnished by shows like this. I know people who see shows like this and get nervous around young black men whenever they see them because they've been conditioned to think this is what they're all like. They actually found a black homeless guy with a bunch of tats living in a mercedes-benz who calls himself Shotta! According to MTV he's a hustler from Brooklyn incapable of holding down a real job, and purchased a Mercedes before he blew it all. I mean..... c'mon!!! The second worst offender on television has to be The Flavour of Love. It depicts Flavour Flav as a washed up rapping, dead-beat dad, and an over-sexed party animal chasing women (mostly black) who are portrayed as gold-digging ho's. I guess 1 or 2 TV shows by themselves aren't the problem, but the problem is that shows like this are becoming the most predominant depictions of black people in the media. They're basically parading around these dyfunctional people which live down to every negative stereotype of black people out there. I don't remember seeing black people portrayed like this in the media 15 years ago. I remember seeing shows like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters which portrayed functional black families with goals and aspirations beyond being a rapper or basketball player. This seems to be becoming rarer and rarer as time goes on. I'm not black, but I still find it disturbing.
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Yeah, someone out there should churn out something in the same vein as "A Different World".
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I know there are white contestants on the show as well, but I doubt its young white males as a whole that are going to have their image tarnished by shows like this. I know people who see shows like this and get nervous around young black men whenever they see them because they've been conditioned to think this is what they're all like.

They actually found a black homeless guy with a bunch of tats living in a mercedes-benz who calls himself Shotta! According to MTV he's a hustler from Brooklyn incapable of holding down a real job, and purchased a Mercedes before he blew it all. I mean..... c'mon!!!

The second worst offender on television has to be The Flavour of Love. It depicts Flavour Flav as a washed up rapping, dead-beat dad, and an over-sexed party animal chasing women (mostly black) who are portrayed as gold-digging ho's.

I guess 1 or 2 TV shows by themselves aren't the problem, but the problem is that shows like this are becoming the most predominant depictions of black people in the media. They're basically parading around these dyfunctional people which live down to every negative stereotype of black people out there.

I don't remember seeing black people portrayed like this in the media 15 years ago. I remember seeing shows like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters which portrayed functional black families with goals and aspirations beyond being a rapper or basketball player. This seems to be becoming rarer and rarer as time goes on. I'm not black, but I still find it disturbing.

These people are modern day Sambos.
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MTV has the worst programming of any network. Their "shows" are about 10-12 minutes on average with about 20 minutes of commercials. It's an advertising forum for the generation retarded.

Werd.
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I don't remember seeing black people portrayed like this in the media 15 years ago. I remember seeing shows like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters which portrayed functional black families with goals and aspirations beyond being a rapper or basketball player. This seems to be becoming rarer and rarer as time goes on. I'm not black, but I still find it disturbing.

I think there is a definite trend on MTV towards the dumbing-down of hip-hop culture... although, to my mind, hip-hop culture was never all that much to aspire to in the first place. Still, I agree that shows like Flavor of Love and G's to Gents are pretty base. Even so, I tend to see these shows as proof not that lampooning black hip-hop culture is now acceptable - I see them instead as proof that hip-hop culture has gone mainstream, and that white suburban kids across America see something in it that they enjoy, aspire to, or admire. Sean John clothes sell as much to white kids as black ones.

I see Flavor of Love and others more as part of TV's general run for the bottom. Almost nobody is portrayed in a positive light on TV anymore, with the possible exception of women. Shows like 2-1/2 Men, The Simpsons, King of Queens, and Family Guy all portray men as bumbling idiots barely capable of a rational thought, who would surely starve to death without the support of their loving, patient women.

Interestingly enough, if there's a glimmer of hope on the TV landscape, it's in African-American-targeted shows. They don't get much mainstream airtime because they're intended for a narrower slice of the population, but I'm talking about shows like Girlfriends, which centers around a group of strong, professional black women. Everybody Hates Chris fits your definition of a show about a black family with goals and aspirations. I've never seen it, but my understanding is that Tyler Perry's House of Paine is another example. And the Bernie Mac Show was, in my opinion, the best show on television, portraying an upper-class black family in a very positive light, even if it did sometimes truck in the man-beast comedic genre from time to time.
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I don't remember seeing black people portrayed like this in the media 15 years ago. I remember seeing shows like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters which portrayed functional black families with goals and aspirations beyond being a rapper or basketball player. This seems to be becoming rarer and rarer as time goes on. I'm not black, but I still find it disturbing.

Hence the problem with modern television. I've seen this amongst my family and friends (Alabama, Atlanta, GA, and Detroit, MI) so I don't know if this is a cultural thing or regional. Anything considered "white" is bad. If you've got respectable job where you're not "hustlin" to make a living you're immediately looked at differently. Add to that actually wearing clothes that fit and speaking with somewhat correct pronunciation (I'm no where close to being perfect but I try) you start getting called sellout and etc. All of those shows represent that in at least the people that I've mentioned minds. I can't speak for all of my minority brothers and sisters but that's what they think. So you end up with shows like I Love NY, Flava of Love, The Parkers, and every single other crap "black" show on the air.

No one wants to be like the Huxtables, everyone wants to be P-Diddy. I like to think I'm changing my friends and families mindsets but it's hard as hell out here man. Oh and yeah the show is garbage, If I had alacarte DirecTV I wouldn't opt out of all of the so called music channels, MTV, VH1 and black people's #1 enemy BET.
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Interestingly enough, if there's a glimmer of hope on the TV landscape, it's in African-American-targeted shows. They don't get much mainstream airtime because they're intended for a narrower slice of the population, but I'm talking about shows like Girlfriends, which centers around a group of strong, professional black women. Everybody Hates Chris fits your definition of a show about a black family with goals and aspirations. I've never seen it, but my understanding is that Tyler Perry's House of Paine is another example. And the Bernie Mac Show was, in my opinion, the best show on television, portraying an upper-class black family in a very positive light, even if it did sometimes truck in the man-beast comedic genre from time to time.

+1

Everybody Hates Chris is a great show, and I'm glad that Chris Rock doesn't dance around the kind of racism that black kids go through in majority white schools. Hell I know I went through it too, I'd have to assume its probably craptastic the other way around as well.
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The second worst offender on television has to be The Flavour of Love. It depicts Flavour Flav as a washed up rapping, dead-beat dad, and an over-sexed party animal chasing women (mostly black) who are portrayed as gold-digging ho's.
Ever stop to think it might not be just a depiction, that they might actually be that way?
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I guess 1 or 2 TV shows by themselves aren't the problem, but the problem is that shows like this are becoming the most predominant depictions of black people in the media. They're basically parading around these dyfunctional people which live down to every negative stereotype of black people out there. I don't remember seeing black people portrayed like this in the media 15 years ago. I remember seeing shows like Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Family Matters which portrayed functional black families with goals and aspirations beyond being a rapper or basketball player. This seems to be becoming rarer and rarer as time goes on. I'm not black, but I still find it disturbing.
I'm really worried about what people are going to think about upper-class white people after My Super Sweet 16... Seriously, there are also shows like Run's House, which depicts a very functional black family with goals and aspirations. MTV and VH1 indiscriminately make fun of people - all people - not just a specific race of them.
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Ever stop to think it might not be just a depiction, that they might actually be that way?
The problem is people may start to think that all black people are that way.
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I'm really worried about what people are going to think about upper-class white people after My Super Sweet 16...
The difference most people are not mistrustful of 16-year-old rich white girls to begin with. I'm not so concerned with the impression that people will form if they work and live alongside black people. At least those people will have some reality to balance out this caricature. But in many parts, people have little if any interaction with people of other races beyond what they see in the media. If someone has any misgivings about black people, these shows only provide the "proof" that they're looking for to confirm all their suspicions.
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No one wants to be like the Huxtables, everyone wants to be P-Diddy.
It's unfortunate that these stereotypes have become a cultural frame of reference of what a black-man should be like. I work with a number of Africans at my firm who have recently immigrated, and they're horrified at the way they're portrayed on TV. They are highly educated professionals, who speak properly, who don't even understand this slang, who don't have tattoos, earrings, or chains, who don't dress like aspiring rappers, who aren't irresponsibly extravagant spenders, and are dedicated family men. Based on the depictions of black people in the media, I think there would be some people who would be genuinely surprised that such a person could exist in this day and age. It's not so worrisome to me that a few people get lampooned on TV, I guess its more worrisome when those same people become the standard depiction of what an entire race is like. There are lots of shows that look past the stereotypes like Everybody Hates Chris which is great. But it seems to me that shows like Flavour of Love, G's to Gents, etc. portraying black people as buffoons seem to totally overpower the effects of shows like ER which portray black people as contributing members of society.
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These people are modern day Sambos.
Very true,

Sadly some aren't conscious enough to see that. In fact BET (since bought out by Viacom) has become a breeding ground for Black people playing the puppet role.
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