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http://www.2000watches.com/vshop....ex.html vs http://www.2000watches.com/vshop....ex.html I know it is an oversimplification to call one a derivative of the other, but which movement of these two is superior? The Oris appears to be of better value, and I should state that I don't mind a big watch, given that I am not a small person. I'd wear this for everyday use, but probably not to very formal events.
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http://www.2000watches.com/vshop....ex.html vs http://www.2000watches.com/vshop....ex.html I know it is an oversimplification to call one a derivative of the other, but which movement of these two is superior? The Oris appears to be of better value, and I should state that I don't mind a big watch, given that I am not a small person. I'd wear this for everyday use, but probably not to very formal events.
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They both are $100/200 movements...
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They both are $100/200 movements...
yes, the Oris is a modified ETA, correct?
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(ernest @ 02 Jan. 2005, 3:58) They both are $100/200 movements...
yes, the Oris is a modified ETA, correct?
Probably. What do you expect of a $500 watch when many $5000 watches use ETA.? When you buy a Cartier, You pay the case, the bracelet and the name. Not the movement. When you buy an Oris, you pay less for the case and name. Oris is a better value for money. Cartier is better for pleasure and kudos. You said you did'nt want to pay the price of a tank so forget the roadster as it is more expensive. Buying a second hand Tank with 40% off would be the best option in my opinion. I do not like the Oris' index, I do not like the Cartier's crown at all.
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Originally Posted by ernest,02 Jan. 2005, 3:58
They both are $100/200 movements...
yes, the Oris is a modified ETA, correct?
Probably. What do you expect of a $500 watch when many $5000 watches use ETA.? When you buy a Cartier, You pay the case, the bracelet and the name. Not the movement. When you buy an Oris, you pay less for the case and name. Oris is a better value for money. Cartier is better for pleasure and kudos. You said you did'nt want to pay the price of a tank so forget the roadster as it is more expensive. Buying a second hand Tank with 40% off would be the best option in my opinion. I do not like the Oris' index, I do not like the Cartier's crown at all.
I don't mind buying a Roadster. If I was going to buy a Roadster, I'd buy the chronograph: http://www.2000watches.com/vshop....ex.html I'm just comparing value between Cartier and Oris. Since Oris does not offer a face that I like (the big numbers just don't seem very elegant to me), I will probably buy the Cartier, at a much higher price of course. As far as the tank is concerned, I may or may not buy the Frank. It's just very small on my wrist, so I want to look for other options.
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The generic name for the watches you are comparing is Tonneau, which is any watch with a barrel-shaped case with two convex sides. The tank watches are the ones you mentioned in the other topic. If you are looking for tonneau alternatives, I'd suggest a Longines (La grande classique de Longines, or Evidenca) in either quartz or automatic movement. The roadster is an ugly one. I can not believe you're willing to spend $5k on something like that. Also, the above mentioned watches do not please my own taste, but if you want at all costs a tonneau, I would buy the Oris or something of similar price range. If you are considering a tank watch instead, the e-bay is awash with them. For example, this, or this could be a good buy considering their features and materials. There is an abundance of vintage or antique tank watches that are very beautiful, thin, timeless, and inexpensive. Just, type tank watch and see how many of them you'll find. If you are patient enough you could browse the stores that sell used antique watches for reasonable prices. I, myself, am having an old (50's) Longines tank watch in 14K gold fixed and serviced for me by my trusted watch repairman. I'm buying from him after many months of waiting patiently for the right one. Ernest is right in pointing out the use of the same movements in different brand names, but with outrageous price tags. Save the money. Just a friendly reminder.
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The generic name for the watches you are comparing is Tonneau, which is any watch with a barrel-shaped case with two convex sides. The tank watches are the ones you mentioned in the other topic. If you are looking for tonneau alternatives, I'd suggest a Longines (La grande classique de Longines, or Evidenca) in either quartz or automatic movement. The roadster is an ugly one. I can not believe you're willing to spend $5k on something like that. Also, the above mentioned watches do not please my own taste, but if you want at all costs a tonneau, I would buy the Oris or something of similar price range. If you are considering a tank watch instead, the e-bay is awash with them. For example, this, or this could be a good buy considering their features and materials. There is an abundance of vintage or antique tank watches that are very beautiful, thin, timeless, and inexpensive. Just, type tank watch and see how many of them you'll find. If you are patient enough you could browse the stores that sell used antique watches for reasonable prices. I, myself, am having an old (50's) Longines tank watch in 14K gold fixed and serviced for me by my trusted watch repairman. I'm buying from him after many months of waiting patiently for the right one. Ernest is right in pointing out the use of the same movements in different brand names, but with outrageous price tags. Save the money. Just a friendly reminder.
I was prepared to spend on the Cartier given that I did not know of many alternatives in the tonneau design. I am at this point learning a bit more, and am gradually finding more, which is why I haven't made the purchase yet. In the evidenza line, I see some very attractive Tonneau pieces, I will definately consider. In the Oris price range, I think they are the only company making respectable Tonneau style watches (under $1000), so if I were to keep it around that price, that would be my only option, given my current research. Obviously when I move into the higher eschelons, my options are far greater, and now I can cross the Cartier off my list in favor of this Longines, and I actually just found another one that I really like. So far I guess I know that I can get a watch I like for at least $900, so that's not too bad. But like I said, I'm willing to pay the $5000 for a watch that I like, and the Tonneau style has really captured my interest. Of course, if I could spend under $1000 it would be ideal, but being realistic that probably isn't the case.
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Having just looked more into Longines, I found a couple I really like. Unfortunately, I do not like the steel bracelets... and leather is too impractical for daily use. I wash  my hands fiendishly and am always afraid the water will spoil the leather, not to mention that the non chronograph Longines have very plain, boring leather bands. Given similar price points however, between the Oris and the Longines models, which would you prefer? The Oris is slightly cheaper, has automatic movement (Longines - quartz), but does not have as attractive a face. I am leaning towards the Longines, in the low end market. I am going to have to explore the higher end (~$5000) later on, I am too tired to do it now.
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The difference between the ETA movements used in the Oris and the Breitling is like the difference between the engines in a BMW 3 series and Mclaren F1, on the surface they are both BMW motors, but the ETA/Kelek movement is modified to such a large degree that it is not really similar at all to the original in terms of performance. IWC does a very good job modifying the ETA movements as well.
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The difference between the ETA movements used in the Oris and the Breitling is like the difference between the engines in a BMW 3 series and Mclaren F1, on the surface they are both BMW motors, but the ETA/Kelek movement is modified to such a large degree that it is not really similar at all to the original in terms of performance.  IWC does a very good job modifying the ETA movements as well.
Is a cartier modified ETA movement comparable to an Oris modified ETA? What comments do you have regarding the Longines movement? It seems the model I like is Quartz.
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I imagine the Oris uses a cheap ETA movement, there are a number of different ETA movements. As far as I know, the Roadster uses the Cartier/Bvlgari GP movement, which is this one: http://www.chronometrie.com/eta2892/eta2892.html You can see pictures and info about it here, this is ETA's best movement and is used in the Breitling Crosswind Special Limited Edition, Gerard Perrageaux, Bvlgari automatics, IWCs, and others, albeit in heavily modified form in the IWC and Breitling watches.
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I imagine the Oris uses a cheap ETA movement, there are a number of different ETA movements.  As far as I know, the Roadster uses the Cartier/Bvlgari GP movement, which is this one: http://www.chronometrie.com/eta2892/eta2892.html You can see pictures and info about it here, this is ETA's best movement and is used in the Breitling Crosswind Special Limited Edition, Gerard Perrageaux, Bvlgari automatics, IWCs, and others, albeit in heavily modified form in the IWC and Breitling watches.
This whole movement thing is giving me a headache. I'm starting to think I don't really give a shit. I'll just buy what I think looks good, unless I know that I am paying far too much for a crappy movement.
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This whole movement thing is giving me a headache. I'm starting to think I don't really give a shit. I'll just buy what I think looks good, unless I know that I am paying far too much for a crappy movement.[quote] To make it simple, mechanical movements=natural fiber/hand stitching, and Quartz movements=polyester blend mass produced.   There is a pecking order to mechanical movements, just like clothing.  Generally just depends on how much you want to spend.  Go to www.timezone.com if you really want to get overwhelmed, but buy what you like.
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