Novalis, Thanks for the short tie link. 53" should work as the length just below the standard 57". Usually, we jump by 4" in length for the next size up or down. 3" is probably as you say just a touch narrower than most men would want. So we will probably start making ties in a 3 1/4" width. I think we will make patterns in 3" & 3 1/2" width also so that we can make within a couple days what people want (if we have the fabric on hand). Last week I was in a library talking to a reference librarian, and I noticed that he was wearing a very narrow tie which looked great on him. It turned out that he had inherited a large collection of narrow ties and wore them every day. I think that the ties were from the fifties but I may be mistaken. I will have to ask him the next time I stop by the library.