Originally Posted by Grayland
Why would you say they have an inability to teach proper form? Did someone from CF teach you improper form? Seriously, unless you've been to a CF affiliate or CF certification and been taught improper form, that statement doesn't hold much weight.
I lifted with an O-lifting coach for about 6 months to dial in my C&J and snatch although I did those exercises in the WOD for several years w/o coaching. I learned quite a bit about form just using their videos. The C&J is pretty easy to learn; the snatch I found more difficult. The squat, deadlift and others...I learned on my own. Anytime you do ballistic type exercises, the danger goes up. Partner that with the fact that very few gyms have bumper plates and lifting platforms and even fewer have trainers who can teach others and you get exercises that aren't done much and are often considered dangerous.
I jumped right into CF at age 39 and pretty much took on the WOD as written. I've never been injured. The speed/form issue comes up from time to time. Grace is 30 X 135 lb. clean and jerk for time. In other words, do them as fast as you can. Will form break down in the quest for speed? Of course it does, but the point isn't the form or the weight (after all, a 135 lb. C&J isn't any great feat). The point is the cardio demands of doing it. Try it some time (maybe you have); you'll feel like you sprinted a mile. Makes heavy C&J singles seem easy by comparison.
I like Ross's stuff alot. He uses many of the same ballistic exercises that CF uses, but he does them with dumbbells. DB's are a little easier to control in the ballistic moves, but it's still a dangerous move. Take a 35 year old guy and have him do DB split snatches with 50 lb. DB's and you're asking for injury there, too. Somehow, Ross is safe though? Unless you live in CT where Ross trains, how is he teaching you proper form any differently than Greg Glassman? BTW, CF highly recommends scaling their workouts until you can handle it. More than likely, if you've been working out a while, you'll be able to handle it right away.
while I've never been to a Xfit camp, school or church, every time I see some video it seems a miracle that someone isn't hurt with the lousy form they promote and exhibit on big lifts. That's a fundamental failing of lifting weights
for a prescribed time - something has got to give. The saving grace is that the weight, as you point out, is light enough that you can usually get it up--ugly form or not. My guess is that people are being hurt and dropping out never to be heard from again, though they seem to have enough new recruits ready to sign up to keep the clubs growing.
What Ross does is effective, but safe GPP with DBs, KBs, BW, and found objects. While I can certainly tax myself or even burn myself out swinging a 10 pound sledgehammer at a tire, I probably can't really hurt myself. I believe Ross also has a 500 dead as shown in his challenge video. Not bad for a guy who doesn't really train for deads. Are there Xfitters that can do an almost 3XBW dead? They seem to believe that they can based on their superior training.
I will admit an enormous bias due to the general dumbfuckery of the average Xfit attitude. Hot chicks, though.