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post #196 of 209
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Originally Posted by thinman View Post
FTFY.

Only if the games break exactly right, so the circle jerk of USC fans in the media can somehow justify jumping USC over some better teams that have played much better competition:

If Florida State beats Florida, who then beats Alabama, USC may have a shot, since two Big 12 teams can't play for the championship. Even then, a one-loss Alabama team may still make the big game. The more likely scenario is Oklahoma beating OSU on a fluke play after a shitty game, so voters send Texas to the Big 12 championship game, where they lose to Missouri. Then USC may have a chance because 2 SEC teams can't meet for the championship. Even then, OU has one loss and probably ends up in the championship as the Big 12 South runnerup.

But really, who has USC beaten to deserve any consideration whatsoever?? They're ranked as highly as they are solely based on the reputation of their program. I'd like to see if USC could beat Utah this year. I'd rather see them take on Florida, though.

I think if Oklahoma trounces OSU (I think they'll lose), they leapfrog Texas. But if OU wins and the Big 12 South Champ (OU or Texas) loses to Missouri, I think the Big 12 South runner-up (Texas or OU) goes to the BCS Championship against the best team from the SEC. I don't see any realistic way the championship isn't Big 12 vs. SEC.

Edit: I think the unfortunate thing this year is not USC being exclude from the championship game, an appearance they haven't earned, but an outstanding team from the SEC or the Big 12 (or both) that really has earned a shot at the championship not getting a chance to play for the title.

This is the most tired argument in the world. You want to say all these other teams deserve a shot, don't be a powerhouse team and schedule Tulane and Western Kentucky (Bama), Florida Atlantic, Texas El Pase, and Rice (Texas), or Citadel (Florida). At LEAST Florida scheduled Hawaii for one of their Out of Conference games. If you wanna be a big tough guy team, don't schedule cupcakes. There's already the Vanderbilts and Baylors and on the conference schedule for all of these teams.
post #197 of 209
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Originally Posted by akaidiot View Post
This is the most tired argument in the world. You want to say all these other teams deserve a shot, don't be a powerhouse team and schedule Tulane and Western Kentucky (Bama), Florida Atlantic, Texas El Pase, and Rice (Texas), or Citadel (Florida). At LEAST Florida scheduled Hawaii for one of their Out of Conference games. If you wanna be a big tough guy team, don't schedule cupcakes. There's already the Vanderbilts and Baylors and on the conference schedule for all of these teams.

Give credit to Texas for scheduling Arkansas even though the Razorbacks are terrible right now.
post #198 of 209
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Georgia Tech is pwning.
post #199 of 209
Gators are one win away. That's what I like to see. "One win away" because I imagine a win over a #1 'Bama should propel them into the top 2.
post #200 of 209
If they beat 'Bama they'll be #1. I'd love to see FL v TX. (AL v OK wouldn't be bad BCS either.)
post #201 of 209
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Originally Posted by akaidiot View Post
This is the most tired argument in the world. You want to say all these other teams deserve a shot, don't be a powerhouse team and schedule Tulane and Western Kentucky (Bama), Florida Atlantic, Texas El Pase, and Rice (Texas), or Citadel (Florida). At LEAST Florida scheduled Hawaii for one of their Out of Conference games. If you wanna be a big tough guy team, don't schedule cupcakes. There's already the Vanderbilts and Baylors and on the conference schedule for all of these teams.


We (Florida) also had FSU and Miami this year, can't blame us for them being down. And we play FSU OOC every year, plus our SEC schedule, so IMO screw anyone who thinks we should ADD other tough, OOC games to that.

Also, the people always harping on OOC schedules are people that play in weak conferences and need tough OOC games to boost their schedules, like USC. Just cause their conference schedule sucks doesn't mean other teams should go out of their way to schedule tough OOC games. Especially when teams in the Pac10 and Big10 can cruise through their conference schedules.
post #202 of 209
Bedlam. F*cking awesome football game so far.
post #203 of 209
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Originally Posted by tom288 View Post
We (Florida) also had FSU and Miami this year, can't blame us for them being down. And we play FSU OOC every year, plus our SEC schedule, so IMO screw anyone who thinks we should ADD other tough, OOC games to that. Also, the people always harping on OOC schedules are people that play in weak conferences and need tough OOC games to boost their schedules, like USC. Just cause their conference schedule sucks doesn't mean other teams should go out of their way to schedule tough OOC games. Especially when teams in the Pac10 and Big10 can cruise through their conference schedules.
Waaaah, the SEC is soooooo tough. Whatever. Georgia Tech beat Georgia today, for christsake. Have you seen the ACC this year? USC schedules Notre Dame every year, too, but they still don't schedule West LA Community College to pat themselves on the back for their other games. Play real teams in the schedule you control if you want to be a real football team.
post #204 of 209
First of all, akaidiot, who do you go for? As for USC, no they don't play West LA, but they do play Washington and Washington State. UF has, consisently, one of the toughest strengths of schedule year in and year out. I think we might be 8th this year. So why the hell should we add tougher games? STFU until you know what you're talking about, especially if you want to talk schedules. And this "real" football team is going to the SEC Championship game and then, at worst the Sugar Bowl, but more likely the National Championship game. So, hold onto your "real" teams all you want, I'll take my Championship bound team anyday.
post #205 of 209
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Originally Posted by tom288 View Post
First of all, akaidiot, who do you go for? As for USC, no they don't play West LA, but they do play Washington and Washington State. UF has, consisently, one of the toughest strengths of schedule year in and year out. I think we might be 8th this year. So why the hell should we add tougher games? STFU until you know what you're talking about, especially if you want to talk schedules.

And this "real" football team is going to the SEC Championship game and then, at worst the Sugar Bowl, but more likely the National Championship game. So, hold onto your "real" teams all you want, I'll take my Championship bound team anyday.



Oh wait, I forgot to mention Vandy lost of Wake Forest and Clemson beat South Carolina. The vaunted SEC was one for four against the piss-poor ACC this week.

I think Florida is playing amazing football, and I do credit them for an OOC game every year against Florida State, and scheduling Hawaii was nice, too. My only point is that if these SEC teams are so great (I'm talking the conference, not Florida in particular; the rest of the conference is much more guilty than Florida) they shouldn't have to have one of their 12 games against Louisiana Monroe or St. Sisters of the Poor or whatever teams you see the SEC teams playing every year. If they're so great, what are they afraid of? Instead you get this self-referential SEC that is "OMG best evr" every year because they beat up on each other but don't have to prove it against other conferences (except this week, where they lost three of four to the ACC).

And yes, I'm a USC fan. We played UW and WSU; but the SEC has Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, and Ole Miss, too. But that's not the point; neither teams have any control of those games. I'm talking about the games the teams and athletic directors have the control to schedule or not schedule. And if a team is a championship caliber team, how does playing a team that would be ranked somewhere between 100 and 200 do anything to prove that?
post #206 of 209
If USC played an SEC schedule, they wouldn't be talking about adding tough OOC games. Vandy and Ole Miss are both bowl eligible, with Ole Miss actually being a top 25 team now. Washington and Washington St have won what, 1 or 2 wins, between them? Again, the whole reason teams have to complain about the SEC or Big12 playing weaker OOC games is because their Conference schedule is so much weaker. Teams like USC have to play tough OOC games because their conference schedule is usually very weak, just like the Big10. SEC or Big12 teams can get by with their schedules, and still have high strength of schedules, because their conference schedules are plenty tough. All conferences play tough games, some conferences can get thouse tough games against each other, while others have to go out of conference to get them.
post #207 of 209
And too bad about Oregon St, you guys could have faced a decent match-up in the Fiesta or maybe Sugar, but looks like you'll be stuck with Penn. State in the Rose.
post #208 of 209
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Originally Posted by akaidiot View Post
This is the most tired argument in the world...
Huh?!?!?! If you knew anything about me IRL, you'd know I'm rooting for Oklahoma (who, just for the record has beaten 5 ranked teams: Cincinnati, TCU, Kansas, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State. Cincinnati and TCU are OOC). Although I'd really prefer a championship game between Oklahoma and Texas, that can't happen so my second choice is a championship game between Oklahoma and Florida or Alabama. It just happens that the Pac 10 is weak this year, so USC needed to schedule some decent OOC opponents if they wanted strength-of-schedule. Given their schedule, USC doesn't deserve to play for the BCS championship (as separate issues, the Pac 10 needs to have a conference championship game and also add two teams. 12-Pac FTW!). Edit: There are at least four Big 12 teams that would be competitive for the Pac 10 championship this year.
post #209 of 209
I think they should just have Oklahoma represent the Big12 North, play Texas, and that way everyone would be happy. Texas Tech shouldn't sniff the title game.
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