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post #31 of 66
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What about a puppet master. Does he need a degree?

Sure. If I can do more things with puppet than puppet master, does that make me a puppet doctor?
Master is relative term and should not be used, IMO. Going back to the subject, "master" tailor is just another tailor to me.
post #32 of 66
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Not all Master Tailors are created alike

is this a certificate, or just somebody calling themselves a "master"
post #33 of 66
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What about a puppet master. Does he need a degree?
The term is puppeteer, you plebian.
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Originally Posted by haganah View Post
The term is puppeteer, you plebian.
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I'm a Master.
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I'm a Master.
http://www.amazon.com/Effortless-Mas.../dp/156224003X That's the mantra you say if you follow the advice of Kenny Werner's book.
post #37 of 66
J should start conferring degrees to help with forum finances:

$100 for Bachelor of Basic Sartorial Knowledge
$500 for Master Fashionista
$1000 for Doctorate of Style

Manton and others could comprise a board of trustees.

Eric Glennie could be the first Honorary Degree recipient.

Time to start writing the application essays or polishing your CV to apply for a faculty position.
post #38 of 66
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I'm a Master.

WTH is your avatar? Is Schroedinger's Cat in that box?
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WTH is your avatar? Is Schroedinger's Cat in that box?

Maybe.
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Maybe.

post #41 of 66
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I'm a Master.

bater.
post #42 of 66
If it's all right, could we return to the original topic? Wouldn't the quality of MTM depend almost entirely on the skill of the person taking your measurements? If you go the MTM route with some line like Belvest or Isaia, for example, and are measured by a store sales person, I suspect you won't get a great garment. On the other hand, if they made a true tailor available for this, wouldn't you expect to be able to improve on RTW?
post #43 of 66
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If it's all right, could we return to the original topic? Wouldn't the quality of MTM depend almost entirely on the skill of the person taking your measurements? If you go the MTM route with some line like Belvest or Isaia, for example, and are measured by a store sales person, I suspect you won't get a great garment. On the other hand, if they made a true tailor available for this, wouldn't you expect to be able to improve on RTW?

I agree. if you have someone who undoubtedly knows what they are doing, you should get a great, close to perfect fitting garment via MTM by the 2nd or 3rd attempt (which may or may not be the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd suit, depending on what things were initially off and whether they were fixable with the 1st or 2nd suit).
post #44 of 66
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Originally Posted by Roger View Post
If it's all right, could we return to the original topic? Wouldn't the quality of MTM depend almost entirely on the skill of the person taking your measurements? If you go the MTM route with some line like Belvest or Isaia, for example, and are measured by a store sales person, I suspect you won't get a great garment. On the other hand, if they made a true tailor available for this, wouldn't you expect to be able to improve on RTW?
I disagree. They simply cannot make the necessary changes. It is near impossible, IMO.
post #45 of 66
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Originally Posted by Roger View Post
If it's all right, could we return to the original topic? Wouldn't the quality of MTM depend almost entirely on the skill of the person taking your measurements? If you go the MTM route with some line like Belvest or Isaia, for example, and are measured by a store sales person, I suspect you won't get a great garment. On the other hand, if they made a true tailor available for this, wouldn't you expect to be able to improve on RTW?

Not so. A lot depends on how well your measurer is able to comunicate modifications to the maker. He's got to know what will likely happen when he manipulates a particular measurement of a particular pattern by a particular degree. Thus, a salesperson who has experience dealing with a specific maker may be able to do a lot better than a tailor, even one that is generally competant.

In my personal expreience, MTM can offer significant benefits over RTW. But I would keep in mind that I'm particularly hard to fit, and I probably go straight to bespoke if I could do it all over again. I recently helped my best friend pick out a suit; with minor alterations, his RTW suit fits as well as my MTM suits, and costs a whole lot less.
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