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post #31 of 51
I have no idea how you can "force" or "make" dogs fight each other. Either they have to want to or there's no fight. The fact of the matter is that fighting dogs love to fight.
post #32 of 51
The really buff greyhound isn't on roids or anything. Its a genetic condition that causes a deficiency in myostatin or a malfunction in its pathways. Myostatin is a protein that inhibits muscle growth in the body. I wish I could get myostatin blockers at times. :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post
I have no idea how you can "force" or "make" dogs fight each other. Either they have to want to or there's no fight. The fact of the matter is that fighting dogs love to fight.

I'd hesitate to call it a "want". It's deliberately manipulating the nature of dogs (by way of both instinct and psychological conditioning, which I imagine for fighting dogs isn't very humane) for human entertainment. That in itself is not the issue- I mean we do teach dogs how to sit and roll over and shit, but where it is just thoroughly reprehensible is when we are putting the dogs at a serious risk of injury or death for such a trivial thing like amusement.

Anyone who enjoys dog fighting or bullfighting or cockfights or whatever are absolute scum.
post #34 of 51
Its like Hilary Swank on all fours.
post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by acoustik View Post
The really buff greyhound isn't on roids or anything. Its a genetic condition that causes a deficiency in myostatin or a malfunction in its pathways. Myostatin is a protein that inhibits muscle growth in the body. I wish I could get myostatin blockers at times. :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myostatin

It's a whippet, not a greyhound. Greyhounds don't express the myostatin mutation so far as I know.
post #36 of 51
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post
I have no idea how you can "force" or "make" dogs fight each other. Either they have to want to or there's no fight. The fact of the matter is that fighting dogs love to fight.

Are you being deliberately dense, or were you simply born this way? If an animal is bred, over many generations to have an aggressive temperament, is conditioned from birth to fight other dogs, and is beaten for not participating in fights, I think it is idiotic to conclude that they "love to fight", after watching them maul each other.

The outcome (fighting other dogs) is not simply a product of wanting to fight, but could be caused by any number of motivating factors, fear for example. Saying a dog loves fighting under these circumstances is as preposterous as concluding a man loves fighting when he attacks a burglar breaking into his own home.

N.B. If you genuinely were born with some sort of congenital mental deficiency, I apologise, but perhaps it would be better for your carer to moderate the discussions you take part in and the company you keep.
post #37 of 51
On that line, greyhound and whippets LOVE to run, but they've been bred to do it for hundreds of years. It's almost a compulsion for them, but throw a labrador or something into the same group and it won't act the same way because they've been bred for a different purpose. The compulsion is even more intense once they've been trained to respond to certain cues, they just go bonkers for certain sights/sounds.

It seems inhumane to me to breed animals to compulsively fight each other for our amusement. At least running/racing can be done without any harm or pain to the animals, although you'd have a hard time saying the modern dog racing industry is humane.
post #38 of 51
I'm not a dogfighting apologist by any means, but I understand that JLibourel is saying about Pittbulls loving to fight. We have to accept that these are not aturally occuring creatures. They were specifically bred for aggression, power and jaw strength. They are essentially monsters. Were I in the position to do so, I would ban the private ownership of any animal bred for aggression.
post #39 of 51
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

It seems inhumane to me to breed animals to compulsively fight each other for our amusement. At least running/racing can be done without any harm or pain to the animals, although you'd have a hard time saying the modern dog racing industry is humane.

You can't breed proper sighthounds without letting them chase down and kill other animals. If you breed them based on their success with running down a track "bunny" you get a different dog. Harm or pain or death has to be part of the equation for the proper breeding of any working or sporting animal.

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Originally Posted by BlackShoes View Post
Are you being deliberately dense, or were you simply born this way? If an animal is bred, over many generations to have an aggressive temperament, is conditioned from birth to fight other dogs, and is beaten for not participating in fights, I think it is idiotic to conclude that they "love to fight", after watching them maul each other.

The outcome (fighting other dogs) is not simply a product of wanting to fight, but could be caused by any number of motivating factors, fear for example. Saying a dog loves fighting under these circumstances is as preposterous as concluding a man loves fighting when he attacks a burglar breaking into his own home.

N.B. If you genuinely were born with some sort of congenital mental deficiency, I apologise, but perhaps it would be better for your carer to moderate the discussions you take part in and the company you keep.

OJFC. Though I can't speak to Libourel's congenital mental deficiency, pretty much everything you've said is wrong.

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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post
I'm not a godfighting apologist by any means, but I understand that JLibourel is saying about Pittbulls loving to fight. We have to accept that these are not aturally occuring creatures. They were specifically bred for aggression, power and jaw strength. They are essentially monsters. Were I in the position to do so, I would ban the private ownership of any animal bred for aggression.

OJFC 2. Monsters?



lefty
post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post
I'm not a dogfighting apologist by any means, but I understand that JLibourel is saying about Pittbulls loving to fight. We have to accept that these are not aturally occuring creatures. They were specifically bred for aggression, power and jaw strength. They are essentially monsters. Were I in the position to do so, I would ban the private ownership of any animal bred for aggression.

WTF???
Specifically bred for aggression? Essentially monsters????
post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by lefty View Post
You can't breed proper sighthounds without letting them chase down and kill other animals. If you breed them based on their success with running down a track "bunny" you get a different dog. Harm or pain or death has to be part of the equation for the proper breeding of any working or sporting animal.
I'm certainly not opposed to animals being put at risk to accomplish a task. However, if the whole point is harm or death for the animal with no other benefit (dogfighting), that's a different story.
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by DutchMen View Post
WTF???
Specifically bred for aggression? Essentially monsters????

Monsters was a bit hyperbolic, but pitbulls were certainly bred for aggression.
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by BlackShoes View Post
Are you being deliberately dense, or were you simply born this way? If an animal is bred, over many generations to have an aggressive temperament, is conditioned from birth to fight other dogs, and is beaten for not participating in fights, I think it is idiotic to conclude that they "love to fight", after watching them maul each other.

The outcome (fighting other dogs) is not simply a product of wanting to fight, but could be caused by any number of motivating factors, fear for example. Saying a dog loves fighting under these circumstances is as preposterous as concluding a man loves fighting when he attacks a burglar breaking into his own home.

N.B. If you genuinely were born with some sort of congenital mental deficiency, I apologise, but perhaps it would be better for your carer to moderate the discussions you take part in and the company you keep.

Wow, you are really all over the place. A breed of dog can come to love fighting after generations of specific breeding the same as a breed of dog can come to love running deer or retrieving fowl.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post
Monsters was a pit hyperbolic, but pitbulls were certainly bred for aggression.

Toward other dogs, but against it toward humans.
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by js4design View Post
Wow, you are really all over the place. A breed of dog can come to love fighting after generations of specific breeding the same as a breed of dog can come to love running deer or retrieving fowl.
I find it hard to believe that dogs enjoy being ripped to shreds and killed, while braying crowds of morons bet money on it. The obvious analogy to this is bullfighting, where the bulls are bred to be deliberately stupid and aggressive, so as to make putting on a show involving their torture easy. No right minded person would think they enjoy it, but given the morally bereft posts on this thread, this obvious truth will no doubt be ignored. At least some of them must be trolling, I find it impossible to believe there can this many simple minded people, who never the less, scrape together the wherewithal to use the internet.
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