I'm attracted to my buddy's wife. - Page 10

Originally Posted by lance konami

You probably should go ahead and bang her, as long as she's interested. Every man should bang at least one married broad in their lives. I mean who gives a shit? It's not like women take marriage seriously these days, with the divorce rate being over 50% and with over 75% of divorces being initiated by women, combined with the fact that at least 10% of the population is wrong in who their biological father is due to adulterous wives, god knows exactly how often women are really cheating on their clueless husbands. Not to mention that women typically feel the "urge" after about 4 years on average of being married to start fucking around. Anyone who gets married for security is living a delusion.

I haven't read it yet, but this book seems interesting

www.womensinfidelity.com

(this post may or may not be serious)

Originally Posted by lance konami

What? It was a sarcastic comment to your condescending "say it slowly" comment. Christ...moving on.



You're debating with the wrong person if you want to get into anthropology with me. It seems as if "teacher" needs a refresher course. Humans are not naturally monogamous, and never have been. This is old news to anthropologists and evolutionary psychologists. Serial monogamy has been "the norm" but we have evidence that our ancestors were anything but truly monogamous. The strongest evidence is in our testicle size. In primates, bigger testicle size indicates that the females are more polyandrous, that is, they mate with multiple males instead of one. The increase in testicle size arises from an increase in sperm competition. The smaller the testicle size, the less sperm competition. Gorillas have tiny testicles and tiny penises, because the dominant gorillas run harems and sperm competition is simply not tolerated. Chimps have huge testicle size because the female chimpanzees are very sexually active, sometimes mating with 10 or more different males during ovulation. Sperm competition is the main force at work with chimpanzees. Humans are somewhere in between gorillas and chimpanzees. We have above average testicle size and large penises. This is evidence that females were not monogamous. In addition to that, over 90% of our sperm isn't even designed to fertilize the egg, they are designed to fight. Who are they fighting? Other men's sperm. They're also designed to prevent other men's sperm from impregnating the egg. May the best sperm win.

A more recent discovery is that females tend to prefer more masculine and dominant males when they are ovulating, and more feminine, less dominant males when they are not. This evidence suggests that women have duel mating strategies, that they evolved to pick a less dominant male to partner with long term because they are less likely to cheat, while mating with a more dominant and masculine male to get his stronger genes. Evidence for this can be seen in statistics that point out that at least 10% of people across the board are wrong in who their biological father is. In some areas, it skyrockets to 20 or even 30%.

Sexual dimorphism is also evidence that humans were never monogamous.

It's funny how absolutely ignorant men are about this subject, and especially marriage, which has it's roots in men attempting to control female sexuality to help ensure paternity certainty. There's nothing noble or virtuous about marriage, which is nothing more than a culturally imposed tradition to gain compliance.

And yes, it would be "unnatural" to suppress your instincts to kill or fight if you're in a situation that calls for you protecting your family as a last resort.

Any more questions Teacher?

Originally Posted by lance konami

What? It was a sarcastic comment to your condescending "say it slowly" comment. Christ...moving on.



You're debating with the wrong person if you want to get into anthropology with me. It seems as if "teacher" needs a refresher course. Humans are not naturally monogamous, and never have been. This is old news to anthropologists and evolutionary psychologists. Serial monogamy has been "the norm" but we have evidence that our ancestors were anything but truly monogamous. The strongest evidence is in our testicle size. In primates, bigger testicle size indicates that the females are more polyandrous, that is, they mate with multiple males instead of one. The increase in testicle size arises from an increase in sperm competition. The smaller the testicle size, the less sperm competition. Gorillas have tiny testicles and tiny penises, because the dominant gorillas run harems and sperm competition is simply not tolerated. Chimps have huge testicle size because the female chimpanzees are very sexually active, sometimes mating with 10 or more different males during ovulation. Sperm competition is the main force at work with chimpanzees. Humans are somewhere in between gorillas and chimpanzees. We have above average testicle size and large penises. This is evidence that females were not monogamous. In addition to that, over 90% of our sperm isn't even designed to fertilize the egg, they are designed to fight. Who are they fighting? Other men's sperm. They're also designed to prevent other men's sperm from impregnating the egg. May the best sperm win.

A more recent discovery is that females tend to prefer more masculine and dominant males when they are ovulating, and more feminine, less dominant males when they are not. This evidence suggests that women have duel mating strategies, that they evolved to pick a less dominant male to partner with long term because they are less likely to cheat, while mating with a more dominant and masculine male to get his stronger genes. Evidence for this can be seen in statistics that point out that at least 10% of people across the board are wrong in who their biological father is. In some areas, it skyrockets to 20 or even 30%.

Sexual dimorphism is also evidence that humans were never monogamous.

It's funny how absolutely ignorant men are about this subject, and especially marriage, which has it's roots in men attempting to control female sexuality to help ensure paternity certainty. There's nothing noble or virtuous about marriage, which is nothing more than a culturally imposed tradition to gain compliance.

And yes, it would be "unnatural" to suppress your instincts to kill or fight if you're in a situation that calls for you protecting your family as a last resort.

Any more questions Teacher?

Originally Posted by voyager

I've done this before. Not only was it my best friends wife, she was my wifes best friend as well. We (the four of us) were together all the time, which helped us fall into this very, very easily. It started off very innocent, we all liked our vodka and (we'll call her...)missy and I were known flirts.

It's a very slippery slope in this sort of situation where there is all out trust between the four (makes it very easy) plus our kids played together (again, easy excuse to find myself at her/their place-playdate for me too!).
I didn't get my ass kicked. I didn't lose my wife, the other couple is still married.

Here's the thing-

not one of the three people i considered my closest and dearest friends will ever trust me, and two of those friendships i will never get back. I've learned now from NUMEROUS women, that it would have been more acceptable to have had a one night stand as opposed to the genuine emotional attachment we developed over the year and a half course of our affair. Understandably that cheap thrill would have been less damaging to everyone.


So...I know where you're at in this thing. You say one thing like, i'd never make a move, I'm just sayin... Right. But you're online posting about her. I did it too. I'm going to guess that she consumes your thoughts more than she should and you know it.

Anysrcewyourbuddieswife, i say just bang her. Realize she's not that effing great (seriously, i know, "second to none" right. She's not. Either man up and knock it off, or go for the one night stand and be done knowing you've thrown away that friendship for a vagina that feels like every other one.


whatever.

Originally Posted by Brad

Great post, but I don't think about her if she's not around. My initial post was drafted after seeing her and her husband out for drinks. Not as big a deal as I think a lot of posters have made it out to be.

Originally Posted by Teacher

No more questions, as it seems you can't read very well. I didn't say strict monogomy was necessarily natural, but neither is it completely unnatural. This, too, has been recognized for a very long time. It is the very reason we experience feelings of jealousy. We devolop social norms for a very simple reason: they make society run more smoothly. You say it would be unnatural to suppress my killing instint if my family needs it...true, but how does this justify cheating on a spouse? Whose life needs protecting in this situation? If you're going to throw anthropology at me, look at the entire picture.

Originally Posted by Brad

The posts in this thread make me believe that none of you has ever been attracted to another's wife. I have to assume that's statistically impossible. Again, there's a great difference between being attracted to her and acting upon that attraction.

Originally Posted by Brad

Great post, but I don't think about her if she's not around. My initial post was drafted after seeing her and her husband out for drinks. Not as big a deal as I think a lot of posters have made it out to be.

Originally Posted by Brad

I appreciate your willingness to share your experiences in an effort to save others the potential fallout.