Originally Posted by yachtie
OK, after reading throught he "which martial art should I learn" thread, I think it's be instructive for a discussion as to which martial art is most effective for self defense in real life situations. Why's would also be helpful. Ready, set, go!
Best martial arts for self defense: Sprinting and mid distance running.
Originally Posted by Eason
Anything that gets you to practice hitting people and getting hit in an alive training scenario where you and your partner have conflicting goals. It builds skills and confidence. Note that running is always the better option. If there isn't full contact sparring (I use the term here to describe sparring which is not overly limited to small areas of contact, not 100% force), then skip it.
You are correct, running away is the best option. The problem with sparing at not full force is that it teaches you to be soft, and that a hit doesn't hurt that much. It makes you overly willing to sacrifice your position for a good strike, which in real life could see you seriously injured or dead. Also, really effective styles should incorporate grapples which often only work if they are causing pain. If you do them at full force you will be damaging your sparring partners joints, and if you don't they wont work like they do in real life, again giving you false feedback. If the style doesn't teach you how to viciously cripple someone quickly and efficiently, it's worse than useless, especially against more than one person. Now, back to the original topic: There are three distinct kinds of fighting, often a fight will move from one kind to another progressively: 1. Punching + kicking - Kicking isn't as effective as you might think as most starts fight at too close a range to kick effectively. Also if you're on a slippery surface, using one of your legs to kick might not be so great. I've never met someone who could kick better than I could rush them and throw them off balance. Boxing is really good for getting you good at punching, ducking, weaving and covering. One of the big things I see people not doing is covering correctly. The difference between sparring in boxing and full contact martial arts is boxing has rules to limit damage, and you wear gloves (and usually face masks). This is why it should be mixed with another martial arts to teach you critical places to punch. A good Karate school can teach you punching and kicking too, as well as plenty of other forms. 2. Grappling - This is closer range than punching and kicking, and is usually very quickly over. It's possibly one of the more useful martial arts. Judo and Jujitsu are good at teaching grappling, Karate can also teach you some, but generally isn't as good as it crosses over with strikes too much to focus properly. 3. Groundwork - This is where you end up if you loose the grappling section. Basically, you don't ever want to end up here, and if you are here, you want to get back on your feet as quickly as you can. If you are against one person it's fine, but if there is more than one person attacking you, wasting your time ground fighting can get you kicked in the face. Judo is good for ground work. Kung-Fu will teach you all about 1 + 2, and a bit of 3, but it's much harder to learn and takes far longer to get good at it. Someone who has done boxing seriously for 2 years will beat the snot out of someone who's been doing Kung-Fu seriously for the same amount of time. Having said that someone who has been doing Kung-Fu seriously for 5 years will probably beat the snot out of someone who's done Boxing for the same amount of time. Basically because Boxing is simple, and drills basics, but lacks more complex attacks and defenses. In real life fighting situations though, simple is probably good, especially if you're not devoting your whole life to learning the style. I've heard good and bad things about Krav Maga, but it's fairly new and I haven't done martial arts in a while so haven't tried it.
Originally Posted by JammieDodger
You can't deal out some pain by running. Also, the last thing I'd want to do is turn my back on someone who is trying to injure or kill me. For a start running would give me under 50% odds and I wouldn't know just how fast the enemy could run.
You don't have to run that fast. Most people wont want to chase you, or if they do they wont chase you far. Also, you have no idea how good your opponent is at fighting either. If they are better than you, then you're fucked. At least if you run away and they are faster than you, you have the choice of turning and fighting. If you fight, engage it can often be harder to run (also, if you've already landed a shithouse punch and they know they are better than you, they are more likely to chase you).
Originally Posted by Syl
I often hear the "drunk at a bar" story or the "hit on your girl" story (mind you, the baseball story is original). Personally, I've never, ever seen a fight start at a bar where both participants weren't drunk as hell and egging the other on.
One of the guys at my Dojo was attacked by someone at the bar because the attackers female friend he had a thing for had been hitting on the defender all night. The attacker was drunk, and the defender was off guard but easily blocked three punches using a sticky hands technique, and was "Thinking 'I should do something about this and punch him back'" when the attacker backed off an apologized. Fight over, my fellow Kempo practitioner left the bar.
Originally Posted by NorCal
As for knife techniques B.S. There are ways to train for just about every type of potential violent situation and being attacked with a knife is no different. Just as most guys now exactly fuck all about throwing a punch most people know nothing about knife fighting. I would take a well prepared open handed gent over Joe Jack Off with a knife any day (not that having a knife is not an advantage, clearly it is, but it can be overcome)
Ha ha, oh man. Yes you can try to defend against anything and there's a technique for most kinds of attacks, including knives. How effective they are varies. While knowing martial arts raises your chances significantly over an idiot when you're both unarmed, knowing really good knife fighting doesn't give you a better chance of winning than joe dumbshit with a stabber. Chances are, even if you win that he will have cut you badly enough that you are now in serious need of hospital, while if you'd just run the fuck away you'd be fine.
Originally Posted by jml90
A gun or kicking somone in the face is pretty effective.
A gun is sort of effective if you know how to use it (most people don't) and are willing to kill someone (most people aren't) and are in a country that allows you to carry them (I certainly am not). Kicking someone in the face is a really good way of getting the snot beaten out of you. While you're busy trying to get your leg up to their kisser, they've had time to beat the living shit out of you three to four times over. For most people (Chuck Norris not included) kicks over waist height are not particularly useful in most self defense situations.
Originally Posted by Mr T
What I really want to know is which martial art is best for offense? Which style would be best for just attacking people without provocation?
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Originally Posted by m@T
I am not a big believer in the 'it all ends on the ground' theory. I think most fights end with someone clinching up, absolutely, but I have always been skeptical of the off-mat application of BJJ....and I say this as a BJJ student. Do it outside, end up with dirt in your eyes, cant see shit...do it in a bar, cut self on broken glass, and that doesn't even get into the 'I took one guy down, had his arm twisted backwards, till his friend kicked me in the head' issue.
Almost all fights DO end up on the ground. You can even tell the winner really easily: He's the one still standing up.
With very few exceptions the fight ends as soon as you hit the ground. You lost.