Originally Posted by Johnny_5
You have made some great points. But I still disagree with you here. I remember when I was talking to a friend of mine who was a cop about martial arts. He said if you are going to learn any learn BJJ because every fight ends up on the ground. I ignored his advice because it did not make sense to me.
You could be right. This topic appears to be one of those things that's hard to quantify. It wasn't until I met the Royce Gracie (first met them at a party in topanga canyon of all places) in the very early 1990's that I heard that expression; " all fights end up on the ground". I challenged him on it then, saying that the fights that ended up on the ground were because
A) someone pulled/pushed the other guy down
B) somebody was inebriated
C) one of the guys went way off balance because he couldn't control himself when throwing a punch swinging a chain, etc, or
D) there were obstacles in the immediate area causing people to trip over.
In these situations, the only one that really qualifies the statement of "fights end up on the ground" is A. The others don't necessitate both people being on the ground in a clinch or ride. Just because one person falls, trips or passes out doesn't mean there is real fighting on the group - therefore its a self-serving overstatement. He kinda had to agree.
Having said that, and having wrestled (and trained BJJ after that) indeed some altercations do result in rolling around on the ground. But for the most part, from what I've, its typically not a "fight" on the ground. To your point, someone knew how to sprawl properly and controlled another person's movement, a result of a series of blows, or tripping.
I'm not saying not to train in - quite the contrary, just that conventional wisdom isn't necessarily true. Before the Gracies, it seemed that everyone repeated whatever Dan Insanto spewed out. I have to wonder if its not the same thing with BJJ.