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post #121 of 190
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Reasons for motivation are the reason why. Some guys use the material as a means to get laid while others are simply trying to become more comfortable with talking to girls so that when they come across their "dream girl," they won't flip head over heels. Instead they'll be prepared with handling the situation. But yeah, I can agree that some of those guys come from very dark places and have the worst intentions, although I can see others who are just trying to improve themselves and become more sociable people.

Its not like theyre slipping girls daterap drugs.

Whats so bad about doing it as a means to get laid.

If were debating "getting laid" as opposed to "finding the dream girl", then id say 99.99% of young people are after the first, community or not community.

QUite frankly i think 90% of what a guy does, from seeking financially rewarding jobs, to buying cars, to dressing well, has sexual goals.
post #122 of 190
Many on this forum seem like they are the HS age. When I was in HS I wore Karl Kani, Azzure and Marithe Francois Girbaud all day, so I can't really say jack
post #123 of 190
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Wait, Mystery teaches manipulative stuff?
Nowhere near the level Ross Jeffries teaches, but yes. Anytime you're teaching guys techniques to manipulate the girl into thinking you are more "in demand" than you really are, higher status than you really are, more uninterested than you really are, and when you're entire interaction with them is based on a script, then you're deceiving them. You are not the guy she sees when she meets you in the club. You're a phony, a fraud and you're simply putting on a show. There's no honesty or integrity in that. Then again, all is fair in love and war, right?
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Watch some of his videos. Read The Game, he was the guy sniffing Carmen Electra's ass in there.
Yes, I know. I read the book. I posted that pic because he does look creepy.
post #124 of 190
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Originally Posted by lance konami View Post
Can someone please explain to me why you think the "seduction community" is creepy? From my point of view, I see nothing wrong with a bunch of nerdy, perhaps socially awkward guys helping each other out to improve their sex lives. What they are doing isn't really any different from how women help each other learn the ways of relationships from a very early age. Guys typically have way too much ego to discuss this sort of thing with each other, so I have to give them props for putting their ego aside and admitting they need help. Most guys are clueless when it comes to women, and most guys aren't learning this stuff from each other, or from their fathers these days.

Is it because you guys find the thought of nerdy guys a la "Mystery" developing skills that enable him to get more sex than most of you ever will threatening? (I'm not a Mystery supporter, I just suspect that guys are threatened by the "community" because they are discovering stuff that does work.)

most people don't really know what the game really is all about, and its not about love potions and it actually has very little to do with sex. it is all about telling the reader that confidence is key when it comes to social interaction. it gives you insight on how the female brain works (most of this is common sense stuff though,) what certain things tend to mean etc. if a girl says this, what does she mean, if you do this, it would typically make the girl uncomfortable etc. the entire book is based on teaching you how to have success at getting dates in night clubs or wherever.

its nothing crazy at all. just common sense stuff that some guys may not know. if it helps at all, the game is based on presenting yourself as a gentleman. someone that, as the book puts it "demonstrates higher value." girls are typically attracted to a guy like that.
post #125 of 190
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My god, this website is HILARIOUS
post #126 of 190
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Originally Posted by lance konami View Post
Anytime you're teaching guys techniques to manipulate the girl into thinking you are more "in demand" than you really are, higher status than you really are, more uninterested than you really are, and when you're entire interaction with them is based on a script, then you're deceiving them.

its necessary. if you don't, the girl is always in control and pulls all the strings. the guy would have no shot at this point.

its just how the world works. its not like the guy in question is really a bad guy, right?
post #127 of 190
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its necessary. if you don't, the girl is always in control and pulls all the strings. the guy would have no shot at this point.

its just how the world works. its not like the guy in question is really a bad guy, right?

I think that's up for debate. I lean heavily to the side of "yes, he is a bad guy".
post #128 of 190
This is why prostitution should be legalized.
post #129 of 190
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its necessary. if you don't, the girl is always in control and pulls all the strings. the guy would have no shot at this point. its just how the world works. its not like the guy in question is really a bad guy, right?
No it's not. I've never once had to: a) dress up like a clown b) open girls with stupid, contrived "opinion" openers like, "Who lies more? Women or men?" c) Pretend to be someone I'm not d) set up pawns to gain "social proof" e) tell retarded stories about "the bad ass kid I saw this morning" f) paint my nails black g) perform magic tricks h) insult girls to lower her self esteem to lower her "bitch shield" i) and act like a performing monkey ...in order to get a girl. It's not necessary, and it's even not necessary for Mystery to do all these things to be successful. (But I don't deny it's effectiveness.)
post #130 of 190
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Originally Posted by lance konami View Post
Nowhere near the level Ross Jeffries teaches, but yes. Anytime you're teaching guys techniques to manipulate the girl into thinking you are more "in demand" than you really are, higher status than you really are, more uninterested than you really are, and when you're entire interaction with them is based on a script, then you're deceiving them. You are not the guy she sees when she meets you in the club. You're a phony, a fraud and you're simply putting on a show. There's no honesty or integrity in that.
I like Mystery out of all the Pick-Up Masters. He's the one that stresses the importance of learning how to have healthy social interactions along with building a life. Some guys already have their shit down in life, but they don't have the skills to present it to women in an attractive manner. My friend, T is a real smart kid whose in some prestigious college with the help of scholarships, he has a bunch of hobbies, a fairly decent social life, and is probably on his way to becoming rich, but he can't get girls. Learning Mystery-esque stuff would only be beneficial to him. Showing that other women want you, that you're high status, and you're not too interested isn't deception if it's true to your lifestyle. His scripts are meant to be practice for the newer guys. Imagine being a nerdy ass chump all your life, you would need some "equipment" to give you the confidence to approach women. After slowly building up all that confidence they'll be comfortable enough with random women to drop the scripts. He doesn't want people to used canned stuff for their entire pick-up career.
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Then again, all is fair in love and war, right?
Can't disagree. Women fake to men all the time, so a few guys in a community that are learning how to lie about their lives to women doesn't bother me at all. I care about results not intentions.
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post #132 of 190
lol, it's threads like these that remind me how much SF is like a religion. "Only our God is the right one, everyone else is WRONG!"

So funny. Obviously I appreciate the SF aesthetic more than others which is why I come here. But to be so arrogant as to think that the SF aesthetic is the only and correct one is pretty amusing imo.
post #133 of 190
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Originally Posted by lance konami View Post
No it's not. I've never once had to:


g) perform magic tricks



...in order to get a girl. It's not necessary, and it's even not necessary for Mystery to do all these things to be successful. (But I don't deny it's effectiveness.)



you say that like performing magic tricks is a bad thing.
post #134 of 190
It can't be denied that the tactics taught by PUA...rehearsed stories, "negging", d-bag level peacocking...are ingenuine, bad things. However, it must be taken into account that the guys seem to approach the community because being themselves is not enough. And if the system works for anyone, they use it for meaningless sexual conquest. Until epiphany leads them to monogomy. So...the hope is that in the process of participating in the douchey, creepy tactics of PUA, the participant learns the general rules of "being more outgoing", "displaying good posture" .... intangibles...that allow them to ditch their tactics,and be real human beings. Keep in mind all of my PUA community info comes from reading The Game.
post #135 of 190
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its necessary. if you don't, the girl is always in control and pulls all the strings. the guy would have no shot at this point.

its just how the world works. its not like the guy in question is really a bad guy, right?

Wow you have totally bought into their twisted view of things, no?

How about instead of trying to overcome striking out with the type of chicks who end on hotchickswithdouchebags, pursue women who don't need to be "picked up."
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