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Which top tier English wholecut to get?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all your responses on my earlier post on wholecut shoes. As you might know by now, I have a fetish for wholecuts. I have narrowed my choices down to either an EG Newbury or a C&J handgrade Weymouth. Here are some questions that I would like to seek some opinions on: - I like the Newbury better because it has a plain toe, but I can't get them where I live and am unlikely to be in London anytime soon. I am therefore inclined to try a pair of Weymouth when I visit P. Lal in KL next week. Do you think that I should get a pair of Weymouth, or should I wait for the chance to try a pair of Newbury? In other words, should I get the best (at least in the English shoemaking world) and forget about the rest? - Weymouth handgrade as a second choice is partly predicated on the fact that they are a close second to Newbury in terms of quality and workmanship. Would you agree? If not, what would you suggest as a close second? - I have never worn brown shoes with navy or charcoal pants. Where I am, in Singapore, black shoes are considered the standard to go with business dressing, suits etc. May I ask why I see so many brown shoes being showcased on the forum, and whether brown shoes are appropriate with navy or charcoal suits in business settings?
post #2 of 12
Order a Weymouth direct from C&J and have them leave off the medallion.
post #3 of 12
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Order a Weymouth direct from C&J and have them leave off the medallion.
They won't do it, at least not for a reasonable price. I believe that the price quoted to members here who have asked about special orders from Crockett & Jones is somewhere in the neighborhood of £595, which is absolutely outrageous. I'm partial to Edward Green myself. I think that their shoes are more than worth the price differential between them and C&J Handgrades. In addition to that, EG has an excellent special order program: for an upcharge of something like 15%, you can choose the model, the last, the sole treatment, and other features of the shoe. I can't, however, recommend ordering shoes when you don't know how they fit. Does Edward Green not distribute in Singapore or Malaysia? Might you make a trip to Japan sooner than you would make a trip to London? I would e-mail Edward Green and ask for a list of retailers. There might be someone (relatively) close to you. As to whether brown shoes are appropriate with gray trousers in a business setting, it depends on what and where your business is. It sounds like it's not appropriate in your business. I love brown shoes, but not if your coworkers and superiors would look at you funny if you wear them.
post #4 of 12
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- I like the Newbury better because it has a plain toe...
Just a quick heads up: The current Edward Green catalogue shows the Newbury with a medallion (in olive calf no less). The previous catalogue shows a plain toe. I suggest contacting Edward Green to find out which is the current default configuration so that you'll know if a plain-toe requires a special order or not. If you decide that brown is inappropriate for your needs, note that both the Weymouth and the Newbury are available in black.
post #5 of 12
What a coincidence. Just got my Newbury special orders today. 888 last, Acorn Antique, 4 eyelet, no medallion, steel toe tap, bevelled waist, half-black sole. I would say Edward Green all the way; the only shoes I own (among Lobb, Berluti, Trickers, Maxwells, etc.) where the quality seems to be exuded in some sort of glow. To clarify -- in both EG catalogs the Newbury has a medallion. It's just a lot harder to see in the first catalog because of the angle of the shot. I don't know the Weymouth firsthand. I've really liked the C&J Handgrades I've seen up close. However, in black Green's superlative antiquing wouldn't matter so much. The C&J would be comparable on that level in that color.
post #6 of 12
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What a coincidence. Just got my Newbury special orders today. 888 last, Acorn Antique, 4 eyelet, no medallion, steel toe tap, bevelled waist, half-black sole. I would say Edward Green all the way; the only shoes I own (among Lobb, Berluti, Trickers, Maxwells, etc.) where the quality seems to be exuded in some sort of glow. To clarify -- in both EG catalogs the Newbury has a medallion. It's just a lot harder to see in the first catalog because of the angle of the shot. I don't know the Weymouth firsthand. I've really liked the C&J Handgrades I've seen up close. However, in black Green's superlative antiquing wouldn't matter so much. The C&J would be comparable on that level in that color.
they sound gorgeous.
post #7 of 12
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What a coincidence.  Just got my Newbury special orders today.  888 last, Acorn Antique, 4 eyelet, no medallion, steel toe tap, bevelled waist, half-black sole.
Pictures. Pictures.
post #8 of 12
I second the motion for pictures. I wish EG would get around to sending me a catalog.
post #9 of 12
Is there a P. LAL in KL? I don't think you can get Edward Greens in non-Japan Asia, other than the Ralph Lauren purple label shoes (and even then, the choice is very limited).
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
[quote]:  Is there a P. LAL in KL?  I don't think you can get Edward Greens in non-Japan Asia, other than the Ralph Lauren purple label shoes (and even then, the choice is very limited). Yes, P. Lal is in KL, Malaysia;  http://www.plal.com/ Too bad EGs are no where close to where I am.  Anyways, I am going to P. Lal a visit after Christmas to have a look at their selection.    I am looking forward to that.
post #11 of 12
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Is there a P. LAL in KL?  I don't think you can get Edward Greens in non-Japan Asia, other than the Ralph Lauren purple label shoes (and even then, the choice is very limited).
Plus, their C&J Handgrades are priced the same as when they are on sale in London, around UKP200.  Great deal.  
post #12 of 12
I own the Weymouths and they were my favorite shoes until I started purchasing EGs. I'm with jcusey on this - I think the quality and antiquing on the Edward Greens is superior enough to justify the price differential. That said, I can't recommend PLAL enough - their level of service and pricing are both excellent.
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