yea but when a thread has 20k posts its hard to search for specifics
Idk I have 3 TOJ calf leathers don't really have any issue with them. The thing you need to know Jbravo is that they don't shave down the leather so they're thick and high quality as intended, they're meant to be worn and last. I got dark whiskey which is probably was the hardest to break in but honestly now it's really fucking nice. Got a red in a soft calf which is really soft and drapes great and bottle green which is Italian calfskin which is probably the highest quality one is really nice.
dont get me wrong i think thier stuff is awesome, i received a lot of compliments on my TOJ moto last weekend just wish it broke in faster