Originally Posted by impolyt_one
I am interested in what criteria Fuuma and somatoform consider as it pertains to quality; use leather jackets as an example if needed
Well, it's not only specific criteria per se, but the logic of any judgement. So, for example, I said this:
Originally Posted by somatoform
but, then again, we also all know that first-hand experience with any piece can mean alot or nothing at all.
Which should be ended with "depending on the judger", in which case first-hand experience is both paramount and potentially meaningless.
We all know that many, not all, but many TOJ customers actually broke their leather virginity with ToJ, many of them have said as much, and I have said before that leather jackets have not been a hot topic on SF as far as I have seen except relatively recently. And those who did own leather jackets previous to their ToJ purchases weren't exactly dealing with jackets held to high standards. If they did they certainly weren't talking about it or posting pics. So here is one criteria and one repeat point:
1. First-hand experience doesn't in itself mean anything. It's not that Bob can't say that leather x is better than y, but that he can't even really say that x is very good at all when Bob broke his leather virginity with leather x and this informs his judgements.
2. So one criteria is the person making the judgement. We trust certain people, as we should. ToJ does not have that customer base with that knowledge base, especially not when I'm seeing ToJ burst the buy and sell at the seams (I'm being dramatic, but you get the point) - I think someone one joked that he saw more ToJ in buy and sell than anywhere else. Which is funny because there's some truth to it, and it's not just because of sizing. Leather jackets aren't supposed to be so temporary, and leather jacket buyers are not supposed to be so fickle in their wants. Call me idealistic, but I always thought that when you get a leather jacket you stay put.... for a long time. I don't trust customers with leather jackets who are fickle in that way... fly by night purchasers or however else you want to frame them. In the same way that I don't trust sweeping judgements by leathers virgins who break their virginity with that one brand. I don't care to hear much from the dilettantes of leather jackets, whatever brand it may be.
This for me is a very important no "first-hand experience necessary criteria". I don't only look at the product or brand, I look at the cosumer base, what they say, and how they act, et, etc.