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Leather Jackets: Post Pictures of the Best You've Seen/Owned? - Page 980post #14686 of 166539/8/15 at 9:49ampost #14687 of 166539/8/15 at 9:50ampost #14688 of 166539/8/15 at 9:53amQuote:
Very nice Model B, Octagon is a such great looking leather right out of the box. It looks better in person as it tends to photograph with lots of orange but it's much more in a pure brown family.post #14689 of 166539/8/15 at 9:57ampost #14690 of 166539/8/15 at 11:01ampost #14691 of 166539/8/15 at 11:35ampost #14692 of 166539/8/15 at 12:52pmQuote:
That back design is beautifully proportioned, it's my favorite of the Vanson jackets. Ride safely.
Edit: Not to mention it's a terrific value.post #14693 of 166539/8/15 at 1:24pmQuote:
Hey man! Honourmark and I could just never come to an agreement about the pricing and the branding, (which are very much related). At the end of the day, we had to shutter the project. Leather jackets of that quality are extremely expensive to make, especially using a third party factory, having small minimums, etc... companies like Johnson's themselves can keep prices lower because they own their own manufacturing facilities and do a fair bit of direct to customer and even so, that bison sample came to about $1K, at our cost. On that jacket alone, that's $70 worth of zippers, at wholesale, not to mention the hide and the make, it being on a custom body, etc... So, at retail, it would have been prohibitive to sell.
I am thinking of customizing a jean jacket by replacing the leather sleeves with a Horween navy leather, and putting leather on the yoke and top front panels (essentially, leather covering the shoulders). Not including the jacket price (probably an Ironheart, which clocks in at about $400), the mods would cost close to $700. Costs add up quickly. That's why a lot of companies get the samples made by someone like Johnson's or Aero, but then go to an overseas factory do production.post #14694 of 166539/8/15 at 2:11pmQuote:Originally Posted by LA Guy
It never got made, unfortunately. The leather would have been just too heavy for the pattern, so I went with a half belt instead, which is super cool, but also very different. I do wish that Aero did more leather types. I've actually been looking at the rebranded Alexander Leathers, Simmon's Bilt, just because they have more leather choices. My other idea is to get a really heavy denim jacket, probably overdyed, and then get the sleeves replaced with navy leather biker sleeves, and the yoke and top front panels covered with navy leather. I asked Johnson's for a quote, and they quoted me nearly $750 for the mods. The base jacket alone is $450 or so, so it'd be a costly product. The natural leather dyed in indigo intrigues me. The Luxire pattern for the stock 50Eu is based on my specifications, so if I could source the leather and if they could do it in that for me, that would be an awesome project as well.
That's too bad but understandable based on the way that jacket has to be put together. The half belt is a great jacket, would make a great addition to the new thread when you have the time.
Aero is a bit limited with their standard choices, but it is always interesting to see what they have hidden away. I've seen a great Kangaroo jacket from them recently, they've done Bison, etc... When you really start digging into leather projects, like you've done with Johnson on a couple projects now, it really gives you pause when you see inexpensive leather jackets, doesn't it? Hopefully Luxire's labor savings can allow top quality materials and still deliver a good value. (When you see what high quality hides go for in the wholesale market, it makes you scoff at guys claiming to be using the "same leather as famous designer XYZ")post #14695 of 166539/8/15 at 2:53pmQuote:That's too bad but understandable based on the way that jacket has to be put together. The half belt is a great jacket, would make a great addition to the new thread when you have the time.
Aero is a bit limited with their standard choices, but it is always interesting to see what they have hidden away. I've seen a great Kangaroo jacket from them recently, they've done Bison, etc... When you really start digging into leather projects, like you've done with Johnson on a couple projects now, it really gives you pause when you see inexpensive leather jackets, doesn't it? Hopefully Luxire's labor savings can allow top quality materials and still deliver a good value. (When you see what high quality hides go for in the wholesale market, it makes you scoff at guys claiming to be using the "same leather as famous designer XYZ")
I've consulted with various companies about branding and product development for a while, so I'm probably a bit more familiar with material prices than some people. I am, however, completely non-technical, and am mainly a stylist. Yeah, a good American bison hide and easily run $250-$300, and there is a fair bit of leather scrapped because of the need to match the grain, have a uniform thickness, etc... There is occasionally that quality of leather at jobbers, but unless you have a relationship with a tannery, you are never going to get the consistency you need.
That said, I think that you can still do inexpensive, or at least moderately priced, jackets. Johnson's themselves do it, though I find their "house" patterns typically much too boxy and not to my liking. Schott puts out a good product at a very reasonable price, as does Vanson. Aero, or the rebranded "Simmons Bilt", formerly Alexander, are very typically under $1K USD at current exchange rates.
On thing that is always funny to me is how "leather quality" is perceived.. Typically, people who are buying a "fashion" leather for the first time, gravitate to likely glazed calf, at about 2.5 ounces, which is going to be soft, and heavy enough to give that feeling of heft. It's typically decent leather, but often lacking in complexity or character. But that weight of leather that type of finish is like the rose of leathers. Easy on the mouth, and very pleasant. Beyond that, it's not going to linger withy you.post #14696 of 166539/9/15 at 8:48pmpost #14697 of 166539/9/15 at 9:25pm
Yup. We are doing the second sample for the cafe racer as well, now. The double rider is coming up next. Some of the leathers that we are having commissioned for the project are really very nice. The default will be an unglazed lamb and a lightly glazed calf, 2.75 ounces, which is about 1.1 mm.post #14698 of 166539/9/15 at 9:53pmQuote:Originally Posted by LA Guy
Yup. We are doing the second sample for the cafe racer as well, now. The double rider is coming up next. Some of the leathers that we are having commissioned for the project are really very nice. The default will be an unglazed lamb and a lightly glazed calf, 2.75 ounces, which is about 1.1 mm.
Couldn't you share a quick design pic of the DR and moto with us? I'd love to see the design, even in sketch form if available.post #14699 of 166539/10/15 at 6:28ampost #14700 of 166539/10/15 at 7:08am
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