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post #12211 of 16653
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Originally Posted by Abraxis View Post

Look at what dieworkwear posted and how t3hg0suazn brought up CCP's name. So it's not just me making the comparison. I think it's useful to make the comparison because people need some perspective.

I'm pretty sure we were both joking. Or certainly I was.
post #12212 of 16653
I have owned various brands of leather jackets from CCP to ToJ to Aero.

The construction "quality" all seems similar to me, in that there are no loose threads or anything, and it doesn't feel like anything will break.
What more can one ask of construction quality? I mean these aren't high precision machines or anything, construction quality is overrated as a concern

The material "quality" all seems similar, though all have different characteristics: the CCP horse is shiny and dramatic looking, the ToJ lamb is very soft, the Aero horsehide is thick and sturdy.
It is impossible to stratify them, the appeal depends on one's requirements and tastes. I detest the ToJ synthetic lining for instance, but I don't imagine that cotton that CCP or Aero use is much more or less expensive.

I think the main point of difference is in the pattern-making: the CCP is above the others. The thought that has gone into the design is obviously greater than the others. Some of the details are probably superfluous (like the slanted placket on the high neck jacket), but some I notice and appreciate every day (like the way the snaps on the sleeves are oriented). Either way, it is obvious that someone has put great thought into each particular seam and cut, as opposed to for instance Aero, where everything is cut fairly straight and bland.

I guess some may consider those things frivolous and "over-designed" but since everyone on this forum is here to geek out and obsess it would be disingenuous for anyone here to make that point.
post #12213 of 16653

I will say that trying on, albeit briefly, a CCP high-neck jacket is an experience I still remember vividly. 10/10 would be buried in. 

post #12214 of 16653

Advise me!

I am still searching for THE leather jacket, and it is preferable a dark brown, sleeky with spread collar. Please, what is your thought on these 2 jackets?

 

 

 

Forzieri: http://www.no.forzieri.com/mens-leather-jackets/forzieri/fz461111-014-01

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post #12215 of 16653

^ CL,

 

Both jackets are classic cuts.  You posted a link for the first jacket, but not the second.  I am leery of the description "genuine leather."  That says nothing and suggests to me that it may be an inferior leather.  Is it cow, horse, lamb or something else?  Moreover, the leather on the first jacket looks a bit thin (I also don't care for the contrast stitching, nor the cuff).  I like the second jacket a bit more but, without a link, I have no idea regarding the details.  I don't like the piping on the shoulder of the second jacket.  I did not convert the pricing, so I have no comment there. 

 

If you are looking for a classic cut similar to the jackets you posted, consider something by Aero (contact Carrie at Thurston Bros / Insurrection).  Aero offers limitless options and customization.  I strongly suggest that Italian horse hide over the Horween.  For a few more dollars, the Real McCoys "Steinbeck" is also a good option (no customization here).  

post #12216 of 16653
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Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Whats the deal with the taped seams in ccp stuff?

Is that unique to his clothes? A high level trchnique? Or a gimmick?

 

It's an excessive gimmick. Those taped seams do not serve any purpose, as those garment's shells are not water proof anyway. They are there just for the hell of having this image of highER quality construction. The same can be said about tech fashion's use of taped seams. It's expensive, and unnecessary.

post #12217 of 16653

Thanks Adroit.

I am hunting for the classic cut, without too many details, within reasonable pricing, not too thin nor too thick leather. 

The first jackets leather looks somewhat thin yes, Forzieri mainly uses calf and lamb, it could be lamb. I have learned that they advertise some other jackets as "genuine leather" but says on email it is calfskin.. I agree, the contrast stiching in particular is a downer though.

 

The second jacket is a D & G, about 2500$ plus tax. A beauty, but unless its on sale its just a dreamer. Can live with the shoulder piping, but from D&G its totally unnecessary, other than that EXACTLY what i am looking for. Deep brown lambleather, perfect cut. But too pricy..but maybe next time when in Milano to watch soccer, the perfect jacket may be worth the $ if bought on site.

 

I have looked at Aero jackets, I feel they could be a bit heavy weight and bulky for my purpose, but the leather looks real nice.

By the way, the "Steinbeck" jacket looks good, clean cut, the right collar and leather.

I have searched online for HOURS++, also wondered about customization options, with the D&G jacket as a model, but i am skeptic about the idea, could be a total waste to ship back and forth(live in Norway).

Do you have good experiance with Aero and this carrie on custom made jackets? 

 

 

 

Thanks for your inputs!

 

cl

post #12218 of 16653
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Originally Posted by Abraxis View Post

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Look at what dieworkwear posted and how t3hg0suazn brought up CCP's name. So it's not just me making the comparison. I think it's useful to make the comparison because people need some perspective.

Is CCP a master craftsman or artisan? No I don't think so. As I said he's probably pretty good for a gothninja designer. I mean what value is there in saying by designer standards he's a master craftsman or artisan? Because over time people are going to forget the "by designer standards" part. In fact I'd say most people operate unaware of that reality.

If we leave it to fine print then the hype train continues to accelerate and unfortunately on the internet the numbers of people repeating something has more to do with what becomes "accepted fact" than actual reality.

I mean I own a nice little stable of CCP's work and where I derive value from is not because I think he's a Lobb level artisan. It's because I want a scarstitch jacket because of how cool it looks, how it fits and feelings it evokes and there's no one else on the market that's offering any alternatives that hit the same notes for cheaper so I pay the asking price which I can afford. There's undoubtedly some brand-catchet at play, no matter how I wish I could claim otherwise.

No more or less, anything else is just a rationalization based on wishful thinking or the need of some kind of validation.

CCP is good quality and design, I give 0 shits what others think because i enjoy it.

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^ CL,

Both jackets are classic cuts.  You posted a link for the first jacket, but not the second.  I am leery of the description "genuine leather."  That says nothing and suggests to me that it may be an inferior leather.  Is it cow, horse, lamb or something else?  Moreover, the leather on the first jacket looks a bit thin (I also don't care for the contrast stitching, nor the cuff).  I like the second jacket a bit more but, without a link, I have no idea regarding the details.  I don't like the piping on the shoulder of the second jacket.  I did not convert the pricing, so I have no comment there. 

If you are looking for a classic cut similar to the jackets you posted, consider something by Aero (contact Carrie at Thurston Bros / Insurrection).  Aero offers limitless options and customization.  I strongly suggest that Italian horse hide over the Horween.  For a few more dollars, the Real McCoys "Steinbeck" is also a good option (no customization here).
 

he is most likely spamming and trying to advertise those jackets
post #12219 of 16653

Yea I was mostly being a smart ass, but this is an interesting discussion. Based on dieworkwear's criteria, CCP was the only non-MC brand that I could think of that came close to fitting the bill. I'd say Poell is a master artisan not in terms of the traditional clothes-making skillset, but more as a mad scientist making a very unique product and making it really well. He definitely loses on the materials front -- as Abraxis said, Hermes and other Italians win there (Fuuma has various posts about this). But I'd say he does pretty well on attention to details. The unique treatments and dies, and the intentional cuts/stitchings, albeit untraditional, are all carefully thought out to produce an intended result. 

 

And wouldn't you want to pass down an entire closet of CCP to your children?

post #12220 of 16653
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Originally Posted by t3hg0suazn View Post

 

And wouldn't you want to pass down an entire closet of CCP to your children?

Fuck no, it's mine, bury me in that.

post #12221 of 16653
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Originally Posted by t3hg0suazn View Post

And wouldn't you want to pass down an entire closet of CCP to your children?



Even this piece?
post #12222 of 16653
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Originally Posted by t3hg0suazn View Post

Yea I was mostly being a smart ass, but this is an interesting discussion. Based on dieworkwear's criteria, CCP was the only non-MC brand that I could think of that came close to fitting the bill. I'd say Poell is a master artisan not in terms of the traditional clothes-making skillset, but more as a mad scientist making a very unique product and making it really well. He definitely loses on the materials front -- as Abraxis said, Hermes and other Italians win there (Fuuma has various posts about this). But I'd say he does pretty well on attention to details. The unique treatments and dies, and the intentional cuts/stitchings, albeit untraditional, are all carefully thought out to produce an intended result. 

And wouldn't you want to pass down an entire closet of CCP to your children?

Mind expanding on that...
post #12223 of 16653
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Originally Posted by LaymanX View Post

 

- Someone in the ToJ thread noted that they feel like they could poke a hole in their jacket with their bare finger. On the other hand, I feel like I couldn't rip apart my Aero jackets unless I used some power tools.

 

 

Sorry this has probably been addressed by someone else earlier but there's a ton of new posts and many are TL;DR ones.

 

Lamb and FQHH leathers are not really comparable as they have very different characteristics. Good quality lamb leather will drape and look fantastic from the start but obviously won't endure 20 years of beating. FQHH will last a lifetime of abuse and then some more but it will look like you're wearing a cardboard box.

 

Personally I understand the appeal of both. Something similar happens with denim, for example. I love breaking in my pair of 21oz jeans (and for my next pair I might even go heavier than that) but it's not what I wear when I want to look good.

post #12224 of 16653
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Originally Posted by Adroit View Post

^ CL,

Both jackets are classic cuts.  You posted a link for the first jacket, but not the second.  I am leery of the description "genuine leather."  That says nothing and suggests to me that it may be an inferior leather.  Is it cow, horse, lamb or something else?  Moreover, the leather on the first jacket looks a bit thin (I also don't care for the contrast stitching, nor the cuff).  I like the second jacket a bit more but, without a link, I have no idea regarding the details.  I don't like the piping on the shoulder of the second jacket.  I did not convert the pricing, so I have no comment there. 

If you are looking for a classic cut similar to the jackets you posted, consider something by Aero (contact Carrie at Thurston Bros / Insurrection).  Aero offers limitless options and customization.  I strongly suggest that Italian horse hide over the Horween.  For a few more dollars, the Real McCoys "Steinbeck" is also a good option (no customization here).  

Can you expend on Italian horsehide vs Horween?
post #12225 of 16653
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Originally Posted by Steel28 View Post
 
Can you expend on Italian horsehide vs Horween?

 

Given that Horween offers many different hides, and there are several different Italian tanneries, all of which offer different hides, any comparison is necessarily a generalization.  That said, Horween's standard FQHH is very rigid and stiff -- it wears like a suit of armor.  Moreover, in my experience, Horween FQHH is often rather flat and lacking in grain/character.  In contrast, the Italian horsehides I have seen are considerably less rigid, more pliable, and have more grain/character.  Of course, everything is relative and, as MP noted above, Lamb is much more pliable than Italian HH. 

 

If you are riding a motorcycle and need a bullet proof jacket that can protect you during a fall, Horween FQHH is a good option.  If you do not need this level of durability/protection, I personally find Horween's FQHH unwearable -- the leather wears you and overly constricts your movements -- it is work to wear (as opposed to work wear).  Some say that, over time. Horween FQHH breaks down and becomes much more pliable.  Some say any meaningful change in pliability takes many years of regular wear.

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