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post #12196 of 16651
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Originally Posted by brad-t View Post

What's confusing about this? Women are accused of vanity for simply liking things without purpose. Men generally seek to rationalize their interests.

I hate both of these.

Incidentally, there are things that do require special skills. For example, some of the techniques used by petit mains or really skilled tailors are not easy to learn. And you try sewing together 5 layers if 32 ounce denim.
post #12197 of 16651
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

I hate both of these.

Incidentally, there are things that do require special skills. For example, some of the techniques used by petit mains or really skilled tailors are not easy to learn. And you try sewing together 5 layers if 32 ounce denim.

Precisely

I don't follo fashion- I wear classic pieces from the best quality makers I can find, from Japanese denim to bespoke Savile Row/Italian shirts/Lobb boots etc

Don't generalise
post #12198 of 16651
Man when I read the TOJ thread and people waiting forever and consider what you get for the money from Vanson, it's just crazy.
post #12199 of 16651
anyone familiar with The Kooples' leather qualities? Particularly on their shearling jackets?
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Vanson x SF produce solely 1 model though. At least for now. 

post #12201 of 16651
Yeah but who cares, Vanson makes several great cuts, and they'll customize fits. Not to mention Aero.
post #12202 of 16651
Quality to me is when something is made by a master craftsman or a skilled artisan, produced from the finest materials in the world and an attention to detail. Traditional construction like our fathers and forefathers would have, but with a modern twist that makes you able to dress it up or dress it down. Fine heritage that you can pass on to your children and your children's children and your children's children's children (and possibly, but no one can guarantee, your children's children's children's children). Supple leathers, soft wools, and impeccable stitching. Quality that you can understand.
post #12203 of 16651
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Quality to me is when something is made by a master craftsman or a skilled artisan, produced from the finest materials in the world and an attention to detail. Traditional construction like our fathers and forefathers would have, but with a modern twist that makes you able to dress it up or dress it down. Fine heritage that you can pass on to your children and your children's children and your children's children's children (and possibly, but no one can guarantee, your children's children's children's children). Supple leathers, soft wools, and impeccable stitching. Quality that you can understand.

but if this quality is not comfortable is it still quality?
post #12204 of 16651

I'd rather have an average "quality" garment that looks good than some masterful work of super heavy leather that makes me look like uncle phil.

post #12205 of 16651
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Quality to me is when something is made by a master craftsman or a skilled artisan, produced from the finest materials in the world and an attention to detail. Traditional construction like our fathers and forefathers would have, but with a modern twist that makes you able to dress it up or dress it down. Fine heritage that you can pass on to your children and your children's children and your children's children's children (and possibly, but no one can guarantee, your children's children's children's children). Supple leathers, soft wools, and impeccable stitching. Quality that you can understand.

sounds like Carol Christian Poell to me!

post #12206 of 16651
Shrug, CCP while having a strong tailoring background and is an innovator in terms of treatments... is he a master artisan or skilled craftsmen when put next to bespoke John Lobb shoe makers, or top tier Italian tailors or Hermes artisans? Pretty sure as Fuuma has repeatedly mentioned in that perspective he's just pretty fly for a gothninja guy. Also the materials are clearly not the finest in the world, a la Hermes.

I think the craftmanship aspect of CCP is conflated.

What are you basing your assessment on? Does this come from knowledge of the pedigree of Poell's clothing-maker training? Does this come from first hand accounts from skilled artisans who'd know or folks with industry inside knowledge? Or is this just the sense you have?
post #12207 of 16651
Whats the deal with the taped seams in ccp stuff?

Is that unique to his clothes? A high level trchnique? Or a gimmick?
post #12208 of 16651
Not at all, a bunch of people do it. BBS does it. Non-goth artisans do it. It just reinforces the seams. The tape will wear out and come off, but does reinforce while there. For CCP in particular I think he needs it because certain of his seaming techniques like overlocking or chain-seam can be fragile and could use the extra reinforcement. But no idea.

Hell even my gyakusou from last AW has some taped over seams on the back of the shoulders. It's coming off and one end always sticks to my face when I workout and people tell me and then I'm like no it's part of the clothes frown.gif Should probably just cut it off after one end detaches.
post #12209 of 16651
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Originally Posted by Abraxis View Post

Shrug, CCP while having a strong tailoring background and is an innovator in terms of treatments... is he a master artisan or skilled craftsmen when put next to bespoke John Lobb shoe makers, or top tier Italian tailors or Hermes artisans? Pretty sure as Fuuma has repeatedly mentioned in that perspective he's just pretty fly for a gothninja guy. Also the materials are clearly not the finest in the world, a la Hermes.

I think the craftmanship aspect of CCP is conflated.

What are you basing your assessment on? Does this come from knowledge of the pedigree of Poell's clothing-maker training? Does this come from first hand accounts from skilled artisans who'd know or folks with industry inside knowledge? Or is this just the sense you have?

Ok lets have this discussion,

It a bit odd to compare lobb shoes to ccp shoes when we are talking about leather jackets. But, going on the shoe talk. It is really difficult to compare ccp/a1923 to lobb/eg. Why? well because for one lobb/eg have been around for over 100 years making specific CM shoes. I am sure they perfected their craft. CCP has been around since the 90s also making specific garments/footwear. However, ccp doesn't have 100 years to hone the skills. For what CCP does, i think its amazing but i just wouldn't compare them to lobb/eg. I'd compare ccp to a1923/ma+/cd then its a bit of an even field.
post #12210 of 16651
Look at what dieworkwear posted and how t3hg0suazn brought up CCP's name. So it's not just me making the comparison. I think it's useful to make the comparison because people need some perspective.

Is CCP a master craftsman or artisan? No I don't think so. As I said he's probably pretty good for a gothninja designer. I mean what value is there in saying by designer standards he's a master craftsman or artisan? Because over time people are going to forget the "by designer standards" part. In fact I'd say most people operate unaware of that reality.

If we leave it to fine print then the hype train continues to accelerate and unfortunately on the internet the numbers of people repeating something has more to do with what becomes "accepted fact" than actual reality.

I mean I own a nice little stable of CCP's work and where I derive value from is not because I think he's a Lobb level artisan. It's because I want a scarstitch jacket because of how cool it looks, how it fits and feelings it evokes and there's no one else on the market that's offering any alternatives that hit the same notes for cheaper so I pay the asking price which I can afford. There's undoubtedly some brand-catchet at play, no matter how I wish I could claim otherwise.

No more or less, anything else is just a rationalization based on wishful thinking or the need of some kind of validation.
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