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post #10966 of 16653
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Originally Posted by somatoform View Post
 
Then again, if I say "cheap, shiny, and something out of Macys" would I be stating anything less specific than what's been opined about Moo's jacket? No. And yet, cheap, shiny (minus Macys), and the silliness of the overly structured shoulders, among other things, is why I don't like it.
 

 

"Shiny" is an meaningful observation although, as others have stated, that is also subjective and transient.

 

"Cheap" and "silliness" are not useful observations; rather, they are ad hominem aspersions intended to ridicule.

post #10967 of 16653
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

Tbh, in general, chrome tanned leather is more durable and weather resistant, so I'm now veering towards that, although good veg tanned leather has a depth of color that is difficult to replicate. One of my favorite belts is a veg tanned leather that looks spectacular as it has aged, and from the day I got it. But belts are not exposed to the elements that way jackets are.
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yeah I have noticed my veggy tanned boots change colour differently when soaked with water than my other ones (which I assume are chrome tanned),

And the colour does look nice on whiskeys and natural colours, how much of a difference would that colour depth make for a black leather jacket though?

Yeah I think chrome tanned would be better for the rain from what I've seen with my boots, and it rains often enough here to be a factor

The vegetable tanned black leather stuff I have (boots, jacket) have a much beautiful color when compared to others, and the leather looks better as it ages. Tends to be shiny to begin with, but dulls and gets more depth after being worn. But if I wear them in the rain, it tends to leave white marks on the parts where the water hit and dried, almost like an outline of the spots where it got soaked

Good news is simply wiping the stains get rid of it.

Would be nice to hear other folk's experiences with vegetable tanned leather.
post #10968 of 16653

Around 8+ months of occasional wear on my black calf MDR and it's still pretty shiny, it certainly doesn't look or feel cheap though.

post #10969 of 16653
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Originally Posted by iamacyborg View Post
 

Around 8+ months of occasional wear on my black calf MDR and it's still pretty shiny, it certainly doesn't look or feel cheap though.

 

Gonna need to see some pictorial evidence there, chief.

post #10970 of 16653
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Originally Posted by proteinnerd View Post

That Horween leather is going to look amazing when its worn in, the real high end leathers always look their worst (i.e.: shinny and like plastic) when new, they just get better and better with time and the worse you treat them.

Soak it, and then flat dry it after some kneading. A lot of leather jacket guy do this to break in the jacket, and it works.
post #10971 of 16653
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Originally Posted by Distorbiant View Post

idk about you guys, but I've been looking towards leather more in terms of aesthetic value these days; ever since there was that small discussion about what makes leather 'good quality' a while back.

I still have an appreciation for the good and substantial stuff, but the artisanal aspect of leather as a fabric is what's really drawing me to leather jackets right now. It's kind of like buying a nice pair of heavy denim vs just buying a pair of pants that already have the desired aesthetic value. Both have their benefits, but I guess I'm just more invested in the "interesting" rather than the "good" right now--though I'd like to strike a balance of both. 



Even jackets with the good quality leather like @Mr. Moo
's jacket, it just doesn't like right until it gets some heavy wear in it.

Raw denim is about aesthetic value. You are buying something that is fundamentally flawed. Indigo is a surface dye that is far from color fast. And there is zero utility in choosing pure cotton thread, which is generally weaker than poly core.

Same goes with leather. Don't create a false dichotomy. Just because your tastes ate different doesn't mean that the other guy isn't doing exactly the same.
post #10972 of 16653

The past few pages make me want to gouge my eyes out

post #10973 of 16653
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Originally Posted by Distorbiant View Post

Gonna need to see some pictorial evidence there, chief.

With and without flash.



post #10974 of 16653

^ Good looking jacket!  Does not look shiny without the flash.  

post #10975 of 16653
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


Raw denim is about aesthetic value. You are buying something that is fundamentally flawed. Indigo is a surface dye that is far from color fast. And there is zero utility in choosing pure cotton thread, which is generally weaker than poly core.

Same goes with leather. Don't create a false dichotomy. Just because your tastes ate different doesn't mean that the other guy isn't doing exactly the same.

 

 

 

You're misconstruing my post by conflating several of my points. You seem to believe that my point was that artisanal items are what have aesthetic value, and that raw denim and heavy leathers do not. This is incorrect and not what I am saying at all.

 

My point was that I, personally, have been more focused on aesthetic value lately, and I have found that value in the more interesting types of leather rather than the established high quality items that take time to break in.

post #10976 of 16653
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Originally Posted by Adroit View Post
 

^ Good looking jacket!  Does not look shiny without the flash.  

 

 

It wasn't under any direct lighting, it's definitely pretty shiny most of the time.

 

Check how dull the zips look in the second shot, that's not normal lighting conditions.

post #10977 of 16653
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Curious, @LA Guy, what about Himel's leathers do you like better than ToJ? I've never handled a ToJ (although I have a few on order), but I've handled Himels. I agree, they're very nice. Is it mainly the weight and toughness of them that you like, or how they've been tanned?

I like the weigh of the leather, the look, the make. The construction on my Aero is just better. Tighter and more dense stitching, cleaner finishing, etc...

Don't get me wrong though, most of their leathers don't fit my personal style. I am actually much more in the ToJ style than the heritage style of Himel. When we had dinner with the crew, I wore my Margiela, and all my jackets are of that ilk. While I like the depression era style jackets, my jackets are all based on models that are relatively modern: levis type III, 60s and 70s cafe racers, stuff...
post #10978 of 16653
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Originally Posted by Distorbiant View Post



You're misconstruing my post by conflating several of my points. You seem to believe that my point was that artisanal items are what have aesthetic value, and that raw denim and heavy leathers do not. This is incorrect and not what I am saying at all.

My point was that I, personally, have been more focused on aesthetic value lately, and I have found that value in the more interesting types of leather rather than the established high quality items that take time to break in.

No, I understood what you said. You find certain types of treatments interesting. That's fine. Where your error lies, and bias is shown, is in your use of the term artisansal. Truth is that you could just as reasonably have used that term, as many do, to apply to any number of denim specialists, from Rby45rpm to Kohzo to Kapital.
post #10979 of 16653
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post


No, I understood what you said. You find certain types of treatments interesting. That's fine. Where your error lies, and bias is shown, is in your use of the term artisansal. Truth is that you could just as reasonably have used that term, as many do, to apply to any number of denim specialists, from Rby45rpm to Kohzo to Kapital.

 


So it's a semantics argument you're making?


Of course I have a bias. My entire post in the first place was about my bias. 

 

I'm not even sure where or what the goalposts are in this exchange anymore. It seems like you're criticizing me for criticism's sake.

 

And for clarity's sake, I said heavy denim in, not raw denim. 

post #10980 of 16653
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Curious, @LA Guy, what about Himel's leathers do you like better than ToJ? I've never handled a ToJ (although I have a few on order), but I've handled Himels. I agree, they're very nice. Is it mainly the weight and toughness of them that you like, or how they've been tanned?

 

Regarding Himel:

 

1.       The Shinki leather he uses has a wonderful texture, grain, depth and finish.  Shinki are tanning masters and it comes through in the finished product (Himel has some information on his website regarding the tanning process).  IMHO, a great leather jacket starts with great leather.  In other words, a wonderful looking jacket made from mediocre leather will never, IMHO, be a great jacket.  The weakest link will forever define the jacket.

 

2.       The Shinki leather used by Himel is a perfect medium weight – incredibly strong and durable, yet lighter than some of the heavier weight Horween leather – more user friendly and wearable out of the box.  I personaly find many of the Horween leathers too heavy.

 

3.       Himel is a true artist and master of his craft – every detail of the construction of his jackets is superlative, and accomplished with painstaking care.

 

4.       Lastly, Himel’s Canuck, Kensington and Heron, while not to everyone’s subjective tastes, are, IMHO, fantastic looking.  I recognize that many/most here prefer more modern/contemporary designs.  While I appreciate many such jackets, I prefer certain of the older styles. 

 

My black Himel Canuck is currently enroute.  I will post photos shortly.  Meanwhile, I have already ordered a second Himel jacket and am awaiting his receipt of seal brown Shinki leather. 


Edited by Adroit - 4/18/14 at 4:39pm
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