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@futuresailors Good point. It's amusing how we fashion hobbyists get very specific about leather but not so much with other fabrics. God forbid we enter a cotton-quality arms race. When you treat leather just like another fabric, the desired standards become far less prioritized. 

 

@LaymanX What if full grain leather isn't necessary? What if split grain can achieve the visual effect in a jacket like the one futuresailors posted? Which brings us back to drew's claim that the Burberry leather, something that costs thousands, only costs them $50 to produce. Can we really say that, if a leather jacket is only costing a brand $50-$100 to produce and selling for $2k-$3k, that it's "good" quality, even if it achieves the intended aesthetic?

 

Then again, this might go back to the whole cotton/fabric point again. I just can't help but feel there should be some sort of preexisting value to the leather itself.

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Regarding leather quality vs cotton etc I'm pretty sure a good amount of people care about all fabrics. Good portion of MC stuff would say which mill the fabric is from or what cotton it's made from. Or selvedge denim you get details on fabric as well. Most MC footwear also has very clear sources for leather and other components. Baller sw&d footwear as well. There is also which part of the cow section is used which could cause great differences in final product (like the meermins using same museum leather as john lobb but using lots of sections that john lobb discarded thus resulting in poor creasing in areas that normally shouldn't be creased)

Leather jackets might be harder to gauge unless you see it in person. And as future sailors and others have mentioned it also depends on how the jacket is intended to be designed / used. The 5 zip I just got has nice thicker leather but it's not amazing. Smells slightly chemically, and leather at stitch points on front zips is already quite wrinkled. But it feels perfect for the jacket weight wise and drapes as it's intended. And given drew only has 5 zips I put it in my head that it's probably nicer than it actually is. I have a N. Hollywood bomber that has thinner calf but is a much nicer leather than the MMM in both feel and wear. I haven't worn it enough though as it's been too hot so no idea how it will age. Sold my TOJ bomber since i preferred a more matte leather and calf over lamb for a bomber. All quality pieces but very different leathers. Also factor in pricing, TOJ is a steal at retail price, MMM definitely not. And N. Hollywood was priced quite high though in line with other Japanese brands
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@futuresailors
 What if full grain leather isn't necessary? What if split grain can achieve the visual effect in a jacket like the one futuresailors posted? Which brings us back to drew's claim that the Burberry leather, something that costs thousands, only costs them $50 to produce. Can we really say that, if a leather jacket is only costing a brand $50-$100 to produce and selling for $2k-$3k, that it's "good" quality, even if it achieves the intended aesthetic?

Curious about this claim about the Burberry leather; I missed that. Is this referencing the Brit line or any Burberry leather, because I've noticed quite a difference between Prorsum and Brit, but the latter is not $2K (rather $800). On a similar note, what does $50 to produce mean...the whole jacket, just the leather itself, etc.
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@stevent I didn't mean to imply that people don't care about textile quality, but rather than there isn't the same preoccupation with how substantial textiles are.  If Fashion House X produced a heavy wool blazer and a thin super 150s wool blazer, the thick wool wouldn't be considered better quality just because it's thicker.  Switch "leather" for "wool" and you'll see that very judgment being passed.

 

@Distorbiant I think the value of leather in a fashion context is that, unlike most other materials, it carries some cultural connotations (rebellious, luxurious, "edgy", etc).  With leather, you're not just paying for the material, but its implications as well. 

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Curious about this claim about the Burberry leather; I missed that. Is this referencing the Brit line or any Burberry leather, because I've noticed quite a difference between Prorsum and Brit, but the latter is not $2K (rather $800). On a similar note, what does $50 to produce mean...the whole jacket, just the leather itself, etc.

well those are three different tiers of the line there; Prorsum > Burberry > Brit.
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well those are three different tiers of the line there; Prorsum > Burberry > Brit.

 

I believe it was a regular Burberry costing $1300 in 2009. 

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^ ya ok... and I agree with what you said above... almost certainly not worth it. Very little if any of their stuff is still produced in Wales or the UK since they moved manufacturing to China. Just that branding and marketing ...
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If you look at the original post he also talks about how Burberry has larger overheads for storefronts and advertising and such.

 

Besides, how can you call a jacket good quality if it can't hold a sandwich, passport, and a book?

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^Lol at RO reference
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For those who have/tried both, how do XS Rick Owens jackets fit size-wise compared to Julius size 1? Or does it vary on season/model?

I have an 09 Julius jut neck which is borderline too tight to wear zipped up comfortably. I'm a slimmish/athletic build, definitely not skinny
Edited by Elysium - 2/16/14 at 3:14am
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It varies. This last season of rick ran about 2  US sizes small. 

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julius sz 1 fits kinda borderline on me too I guess, same build sans the "ish", I tried on last? seasons xs and did not fit me at all, p2p was like 17"-17.5" tops, couldn't even get full arm in sleeve, had to go small and still felt borderline in the chest/shoulders/biceps, medium felt better but way too long, walked away
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 Can anyone comment on the quality of Golden Goose leathers?

post #10155 of 11970
Most decent leather jackets are made from top grain, not full grain, leather. The lower layers are skivved off. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to move. The quality of the leather depends on the quality of the hide and the quality of the tanning. Beyond that, and the quality of the make, a lot boils down to personal preference.
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