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BB purchased Peal & Co. in 1965. That is truly all I know. If you would expound on your counter, I would love to learn more.

Peal has not existed as a manufacturer of shoes for a long time. I don't recall, but it may be from the very day after BB bought them. It is, and for a very long time has been, only a name. Your English made Peal & Co. are made by Alfred Sargent and Crockett & Jones (and, in the past, Edward Green) for you and labeled Peal & Co.
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1. I'll get back with you. You might need to remind me.
2. Ditto
3. It looks much more shiny online, but it is quite detailed. The basic monk strap is so understated. It is quite nice.
4. Most of us who work in clothing, for some reason, really like food.


2. I dont think the 1818 Italy is made by MaCo...their left pocket label is very different than the GF made in Italy one. Can you double check?

Side note: Did you hear J Press is offering MTM by MG too? I;m guessing the manufacture is going to MG's shop in Brooklyn, rather than him doing the measurement like BB's semi annual event.
post #48 of 58
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Side note: Did you hear J Press is offering MTM by MG too? I;m guessing the manufacture is going to MG's shop in Brooklyn, rather than him doing the measurement like BB's semi annual event.

Greenfield does MTM and RTW for a variety of retailers. He is in no way exclusive to BB.
post #49 of 58
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Peal has not existed as a manufacturer of shoes for a long time. I don't recall, but it may be from the very day after BB bought them. It is, and for a very long time has been, only a name. Your English made Peal & Co. are made by Alfred Sargent and Crockett & Jones (and, in the past, Edward Green) for you and labeled Peal & Co.

Peal went out of business in 1963. There's a NYTimes or New Yorker article about it from that period. It was a bespoke shoemaker; I believe that prior to its going out of business it had had an arrangement with Brooks Brothers where some RTW shoes were sold under its name, although it's likely even then that they were made by another manufacturer. Brooks bought the name and as such has farmed manufacture out from Edward Green to the somewhat cheaper and less refined stuff produced today under the Peal label by AS/C&J.
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Greenfield does MTM and RTW for a variety of retailers. He is in no way exclusive to BB.

Completely agreeed, but wasn't sure how J Press's MTM work, can't imagine it has the same treatment as BB's semi annual MTM where Martin himself does the measurement....could be wrong...
post #51 of 58
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Completely agreeed, but wasn't sure how J Press's MTM work, can't imagine it has the same treatment as BB's semi annual MTM where Martin himself does the measurement....could be wrong...

Also agreed, However, it is interesting that our neighbors on Madison would select a manufacturer for whom we provide over 80% of the business.
On a side note, and back to the the thread topic for a moment, for many years we had been Southwick's lifeblood. At times up to 90% of their orders. So it only makes sense that CDV would want to put the "Maker's" label back into more garments, while cutting out another transaction.
post #52 of 58
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2. I dont think the 1818 Italy is made by MaCo...their left pocket label is very different than the GF made in Italy one.

I don't think so, either.
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I don't think so, either.

So what's your final verdict of the Italian manufacture?
post #54 of 58
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Also agreed, However, it is interesting that our neighbors on Madison would select a manufacturer for whom we provide over 80% of the business.
On a side note, and back to the the thread topic for a moment, for many years we had been Southwick's lifeblood. At times up to 90% of their orders. So it only makes sense that CDV would want to put the "Maker's" label back into more garments, while cutting out another transaction.

So essentially BB is going back to their old business model in which they will purchase fabric (if they don't already have mills of their own) and make it under their label (now that southwick is BB's in-house shop)....it's just funny how after all those years, BB is coming back to where it started....

Side note: I'm swing by the madison store later today as it will be open til 8 instead of 7 and ask about the MTM event and their digital tailoring for MAYBE couple shirts during the MTM event too....i don't know if you work in NY or Texas, but if in NY definitely would like do drop by and say hi.
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So what's your final verdict of the Italian manufacture?
1818 Italy I think is Lardini. On a separate note, MaCO is now Caruso.
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bbmtm--Thank you for your informative posts. Please continue to share you're insights with the Forum.
post #57 of 58
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1818 Italy I think is Lardini.

On a separate note, MaCO is now Caruso.

Can someone tell me a bit more about Lardini (history/quality...), not a brand.name i recongize.
post #58 of 58

BB didn't buy Southwick.  Southwick makes BB 1800 MTM line (full canvas, etc.)  Southwick also does Ralph Lauren Lauren Black Label and one other upscale brand, but as I always believe...why go one off when you can go right to the people who makes the suits in the first place.  The only problem I had with Southwick...not really with them, but was with Zegna's fabric mills that cut back on shipping out to Southwick for the fall lineup 2015.  But, I have been told that Loro Piana is stepping in and will be providing a lot of fabrics for Southwick for summer 2016.  Now  Zegna get over your snottiness and provide fabrics to other tailors.

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