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post #1 of 15
7/13/08 at 4:03pm
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I've often wondered what it is about heavy gym users that affects the face. Take anyone with a menacing amount of muscle, and I'll show you a face that matches the body. I thought it was simply the neck that did it. Yet, even if you cover the neck, the face is a dead give away. So why is this? Can it be that excessive lifting affects the facial muscles? Or it it that this type of person is permanently contorting his face, into the thuggish expression we have come to expect?

Just another idle thought. Not a look I EVER want to acquire.
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post #2 of 15
7/13/08 at 4:24pm
You might also have an unrepresentative sample
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post #3 of 15
7/13/08 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by cldpsu View Post
You might also have an unrepresentative sample

Yes, I was a little too harsh there. It's just that so many lifters seem to have this excessive square jawed look. Actually, I think I'd call it a square headed look! But when done to excess it ceases to be attractive and takes on a comic book, super-hero appearance. I don't know why this happens, as surely the bones themselves don't grow. Maybe we all in fact possess a square jaw/head, and that it's simply covered by layers of lard.
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post #4 of 15
7/13/08 at 5:13pm
Too many steriods causes this.
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post #5 of 15
7/13/08 at 5:37pm
low bodyfat %
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post #6 of 15
7/14/08 at 5:26am
not thinking outside the box.
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post #7 of 15
7/14/08 at 10:04am
Your body also refuses to develop too much of a muscular imbalance, so even though they may not work their face muscles more, their bodies will still pack on more mass there just to keep up with everything else.
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post #8 of 15
7/14/08 at 11:41am
If you ever noticed someone who is fat and lost weight, it quickly drains from their face first. I think we all have pretty large facial muscles, after all we use them every day to smile, eat, look, etc and they just happened to be covered in some fat. A bodybuilder just has less fat than normal appearance and the musles show more prominently.
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post #9 of 15
7/14/08 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by visionology View Post
A bodybuilder just has less fat than normal appearance and the musles show more prominently.

Ever see anyone with anorexia nervosa? Their facial muscles don't look too prominent to me. Of course, they have generalized muscle wasting...

So let's look at super models or some other ridiculously thin people. They also smile, eat, talk, etc. the same as everyone else yet they don't have this prominence of facial muscles. My vote is that either these guys are so genetically gifted that their facial muscles grow just as easily as their pecs or "it's the juice". I'm inclined to believe the latter because in the same way steroids cause organomegaly e.g. of the liver, spleen, etc they likely have the same effect on other things that aren't being trained/targeted.

Having said that, I'm far from an expert on the subject.
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post #10 of 15
7/14/08 at 3:40pm
perhaps its not causal...a more heavily muscled man genetically is going to have higher test and gh levels present in his body (or he wouldn't be as heavily muscled in the first place), thus, a different shape to the face.

Hormones, whether natural or in supraphysiologial dosages definitely affect facial features, reference Jay Cutler 1998 and 2008.
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post #11 of 15
7/15/08 at 4:42am
I was thinking about this the other day also, because i have a friend that after 2 years of working out has a very detailed and wide jaw. Much more than he used to, at the age of 17.

What i came up with was that a lot of protein, hormones etc. must have something to do with it. but also, when he lifts very heavy weights, he often seem to clinch his jaw tight and while doing that he is exercising it in a way. Now imagine doing that 3-4 times a week for 2 years and the possibility of it being a major factor should not be out ruled. I believe that this and the hormones (especially testosterone) are the basic reasons for the facial changes.

Also; first post. Looks like a great forum
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post #12 of 15
7/15/08 at 5:49am
Greater testosterone may cause a larger jaw. Lifting weights = more testosterone. http://www.wmalumni.com/magazine/win...eature_1.shtml
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post #13 of 15
7/15/08 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by Viktri View Post
Lifting weights = more testosterone.

Lifting weights = less testosterone
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post #14 of 15
7/15/08 at 1:20pm
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Lifting weights = less testosterone

false.

squat/dl will elicit greater hormone output, unless the body is overtrained.
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post #15 of 15
7/15/08 at 2:26pm
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false. squat/dl will elicit greater hormone output, unless the body is overtrained.
Another myth that won't die... Overtraining isn't a disease that's present or not. It's a condition from cumulative fatigue. The key word is 'cumulative'. The more training someone does, the more fatigue is built up on them. The fatigue builds through training -- each successive stress to their body further reduces hormone levels. Serum hormone levels may temporarily raise due to resistance training, but over a more extended period of time they actually will lower. Of course, then you have to factor in SHBG, aromatase/5-a reductase activity, etc.
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