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post #76 of 312
the best ghost story I heard was from a friend in college who was very level headed and not a bullshitter....she used to live in Newport Beach with her family and after coming home one day she saw an older white fella at the top of her stairway, as real as real can be. She asked what the hell he was doing in there and he would just smile and turn and run out of sight down the hall and when she went up after him he was gone. She saw him a couple more times in a similar situation and got freaked out, told her mom about it, they inquired with the realtor (maybe it was a past resident who still had a key), and it turned out to be a former owner of the house but he had been dead for years.

I am sure I saw a UFO in college as well. My roommates and I all saw it from the sidewalk in front of our apt (as did a lot of other residents) and we were playing devils advocate while seeing it, trying to figure out of it was a weather balloon, satellite, plane, blimp, govt test, etc but it was nothing definable. It glowed white and had no windows, wings, etc, moved in a very specific triangular pattern slowly in the sky, and after about 10 min it just shot away and was gone in the blink of an eye.
post #77 of 312
My sister (very level-headed gal) experienced ghostly phenomena in her townhouse during college. She came home and heard someone moving around upstairs, shifting papers, etc. She thought our brother was home until he walked in the front door. He went upstairs and no one was there. Later, while she was sleeping she awoke to feel someone sitting next to her on the bed stroking her hair, but no one was visibly present. She finally came home one day and just announced to the empty house that whatever was there was really scaring her and would it please stop. She had no more trouble.
post #78 of 312
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She finally came home one day and just announced to the empty house that whatever was there was really scaring her and would it please stop. She had no more trouble.

I heard from a colleague in a former job that after some experiences in an old farmhouse she (or a friend, I forget) moved into, they'd just announce themselves whenever they came in and the disturbances calmed down.
post #79 of 312
has anyone experienced watching or being at an exorcism? i have listened to a recording once many years back on a christian radio station of a pastor doing an 'exorcism' over the radio to a woman who called in. it was completely caught the station off-guard, as the woman called in for depression and some serious life issues. but then as the pastor was talking to her over the radio regarding Jesus Christ (remember this is a christian radio station),witnessing to her, she started to say profanities and started to growl and convulge. the pastor quickly took action by attacking the demon by defending his points with certain biblical points and verses, and the demon kept attacking back , but eventually gave up and left from the woman. the amazing thing is, the woman was not Christian and had no idea about lot of the Bible knowledge relayed during that session, but her demon was able to respond and attack back in an understandable way.
post #80 of 312
I am not opening this thread at night.
post #81 of 312
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There is such a massive logical fallacy here I don't know where to start (unless this is just a joke). Actually, science is the highest authority. This is because scientific thought works on the basis that there has to be evidence for something existing before it is said to exist. How is saying something does exist just because of your own experience (inspite the lack of evidence) not close-minded? If anything people who are sure they've seen something are far more close-minded and biased because they are not considering what evidence there is to say what they saw is true. People who haven't "seen" ghosts do have experience to base an opinion on, the experience of not having witnessed anything. These people are the least biased because they can look at evidence objectively.
As one of those "egghead science types", I'd like to point out to JammieDodger and anyone reading that, while a lack of evidence for the existence of ghosts means a reasonable scientist could not conclude that ghosts exist, he also could not conclude that ghosts do not exist. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (the last paragraph quoted above treads close to this logical fallacy). For example, a scientist might simply be using the wrong tools or insufficiently accurate tools to investigate a particular phenomenon. He would then find no evidence of a phenomenon that exists. So Science (with a capital 'S'), must remain silent on the existence or non-existence of ghosts. JammieDodger, I don't want to hijack this thread into a philosophy of science debate, but think about why you believe that personal experience is not evidence. My personal experience, gathered with my own senses, is more credible to me than a view through, say, an electron microscope. No matter how well I can quantify an observation, it's still just an observation, ultimately made with one of my own senses.
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I'm tired of hearing this. Science isn't a cohesive whole. Science doesn't claim to know everything, the point of scientific processes is that unless there is evidence for something to exist then there is no reason to believe it is there - that's why Science is the highest authority, because it is perfectly logical....
I take great exception to your claims that "Science is the highest authority" and "it is perfectly logical". The first statement is a matter of faith, religion if you will, and the second ignores the role of the scientist in doing science. Science is done by human beings, with their egos invested, and it works by consensus, which can sometimes go horribly wrong. Scientists are human beings, with all of their flaws, and they cannot be divorced from science, ergo in the real world the practice of science is not "perfectly logical". Back to our regular programming: I've never personally seen a ghost and, as an egghead science type, I must remain agnostic. I'm not yet ready to accept or reject their existence and I thoroughly enjoy a good ghost story (including those in this thread). Edgar Allen Poe is one of my favorite writers. Carry on.
post #82 of 312
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I am not opening this thread at night.

cmon von, you can do it.
post #83 of 312
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Well, I sure seem to have garned more first-hand accounts of ghostly experiences that I had expected when I started this thread. As I mentioned earlier, I have never had any kind of supernatural encounters, which suits me just fine, but I will narrate a few involving people I have known.

One day, about 80 years ago, my grandmother heard someone crying next door to her house. She thought a little neighbor boy had gotten trapped in our neighbor's garage and dispatched my uncle, then about 13, to set him free. Suddenly, she saw our neighbor walking up his driveway, holding his wife's dead body and weeping. She shrieked for my uncle to return. It seems our neighbor's wife had hanged herself in the garage. To the other side of the hanged woman's house lived an attorney named Whitney Smith with his wife and daughter. One night, a few weeks after the suicide, Mrs. Whitney Smith looked out her kitchen door and saw the dead woman standing where she had hanged herself with sort of a glow behind her. Understandably, Mrs. Whitney Smith began screaming, and the apparition vanished. Was this some sort of hysterical autosuggestion? Possibly...HOWEVER, I knew Mrs. Whitney Smith very well (she died when I was in my 30s), and a more hard-nosed, tough-minded, level-headed person of either sex you would be hard pressed to find. I could hardly imagine anyone less likely to be rendered hysterical by a figment of the imagination.

Another eerie story involves our Great Dane, Honey. For about 25 years my family employed an African-American woman named Sarah to do cleaning and laundry. The dog, generally a placid, docile beast, always reacted strongly to Sarah--whether this was the result of an instinctive aversion to people of color that some dogs display or the fact that Sarah had a sort of bustling, nervous manner to her, I can't say. Sarah lived just west of downtown Los Angeles on Bixel Street, about three miles east of our house. One night, Honey appeared at her door. She was very surprised that the dog could have found her way through three miles of urban L.A. to her door, but she let her in. The dog went into a corner a lay down and remained there until Sarah went to bed. When Sarah awoke in the morning, the dog was gone. When she arrived at our house that morning, she started to tell my mother this strange story and wondered if the dog could have found her way back home. My mother cut her short, saying, "Oh, Honey died last night at the veterinarian's."

My second wife told me that her grandmother had moved into a haunted farmhouse in Wisconsin. There were a number of strange phenomena, the most memorable of which was the repeated sound of an infant crying. Finally, the old lady had enough and performed an impromptu exorcism by pounding on the floor with her broom handle and shouting, "Clear out or pay rent!" Evidently it worked, as all ghostly activity henceforth ceased. If the old lady was anything like as formidable and mean as her granddaughter, she would have been terrifying enough to spook the spookiest of spooks!

My second wife herself experienced some strange, ghostly phenomena when she was staying in Hawaii near where human sacrifices had allegedly been performed back into old days of the pagan kingdom, the strangest of which was seeing a ghostly column of men in ancient Hawaiian attire marching across the property. Supernatural phenomena seem to be exceptionally abundant in the Hawaiian Islands, I get the impression.

In the last years of their lives, my mother and uncle were good friends with two gay men who lived in an old house not far away. The children of a previous owner didn't want to sleep in their bedroom because "a man came out and frightened them." The two gay men never experienced anything untoward, but a friend of theirs was so freaked by something he experienced there he refused to go upstairs in their house ever again. One day my mother dropped by to pay them an impromptu visit. Although she saw somebody moving about in house, no-one answered the door, and the boys confirmed they weren't at home at the time. She was convinced she had seen the ghost.

A noted figure in the gun culture told me that when he was living in one house in Orange County he and his wife experienced a lot of supernatural phenomena. The young daughter of the previous owners had disappeared during the hippie era, presumably the victim of foul play, and my friend surmised that it might be the spirit of the dead girl trying to find her way home.

Anyway, these are but some of the ghost stories involving people I've known personally.
post #84 of 312
Wow. This thread is much more pleasant to read in the day time. Can be quite chilling reading this at night.
post #85 of 312
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As one of those "egghead science types", I'd like to point out to JammieDodger and anyone reading that, while a lack of evidence for the existence of ghosts means a reasonable scientist could not conclude that ghosts exist, he also could not conclude that ghosts do not exist. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (the last paragraph quoted above treads close to this logical fallacy). For example, a scientist might simply be using the wrong tools or insufficiently accurate tools to investigate a particular phenomenon. He would then find no evidence of a phenomenon that exists. So Science (with a capital 'S'), must remain silent on the existence or non-existence of ghosts.

Then science must remain silent on the non-existence of everything. And not just Science, to this day we can't say there are no WMDs in Iraq. All you're saying is you can't prove a negative, which is true. What I'm saying, is if there is a lack of evidence then you shouldn't really believe something exists, which is also true. If given the question "do ghosts exist, yes/no" the logical answer would be no, that doesn't mean you're falling into the fallacy you mentioned, it just means you're going with the most likely answer. Which I am, because that's all you can do with any negative.

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JammieDodger, I don't want to hijack this thread into a philosophy of science debate, but think about why you believe that personal experience is not evidence. My personal experience, gathered with my own senses, is more credible to me than a view through, say, an electron microscope. No matter how well I can quantify an observation, it's still just an observation, ultimately made with one of my own senses.

Personal experience is personal. You can't peer review your personal experience, you can't properly share it with others. We actually know the brain is not perfect in processing what we experience correctly. Everyone has experienced thinking they've seen a figure when there isn't one; I've walked around the house at night in the dark and been sure someone is following me up a set of stairs. And then there's that horrible experience of waking up except you can't move and you think something is in the room. We also know some people are susceptible to psychosis. An electron microscope on the other hand can be said to be infallible if given tests (I assume this is correct, I've never used one). And yes you have to use the microscope yourself with your eyes, but other people can also see the same things you're seeing and so can a computer - it can all be recorded (again, I assume, obviously the microscope is just for argument's sake).

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I take great exception to your claims that "Science is the highest authority" and "it is perfectly logical". The first statement is a matter of faith, religion if you will, and the second ignores the role of the scientist in doing science. Science is done by human beings, with their egos invested, and it works by consensus, which can sometimes go horribly wrong. Scientists are human beings, with all of their flaws, and they cannot be divorced from science, ergo in the real world the practice of science is not "perfectly logical".

No, faith is the belief in something when there is no evidence. Believing in Science is not the belief in anything physical or even metaphysical, it's just the idea that you need evidence. When I say Science is the highest authority, I do not mean the papers of various scientists or the scientists themselves, I mean the philosophy. Maybe a better phrase would be "evidence is the highest authority".
post #86 of 312
Dude, less talk, more haunt.
post #87 of 312
Here's another story a good friend told me. No reason to believe he was lying.

For a period of time he was living in his parent's two story home with his brother and sister (my buddy was either in high school or jc at the time). The parent's had a second, smaller home they were living in separately.

On the first occasion, as he lie in bed, he heard a terrible bang to the bedroom door as if someone kicked it with great force. He got up, ran downstairs to his brother and sister who were sitting watching TV and let them have it for kicking his door so hard. Turns out they had no clue what he was talking about. Could he have been half asleep in a semi-consious state and imagined it? Not sure. But this happened a few times within a span of several weeks. On another occasion, he knew his brother and sister weren't even home.

On a few other occasions, again as he was in bed, his bed would shake with some abrupt violence in the night either when he had not yet fallen asleep or in the middle of his sleep. He was so freaked out all he did was pray. One day after this happened several times (followed by the prayers), he noticed that a poster on his wall had an outline of a crucifix. He was spooked by this, but at the same time comforted. The violent kicking to his door and shaking of his bed had stopped thereafter.

I asked him whether the image is still on that poster, but he told me he gladly tossed it after they had sold the house soon thereafter (for unrelated reasons) as he wanted to forget it all ever happened.

Sleep tight guys! Don't wait to hear that loud kick at your door or for your bed to shake.
post #88 of 312
totally unnecessary disclaimer. Good story.

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No reason to believe he was lying.
post #89 of 312
one story was of two boys who shared a room in their parent's old house.

one night, the parents had to leave them to a babysitter, and late at night one of the boys while standing next to his bed combing his head after taking a bath, a clammy hand appeared from underneath the bed and grabbed hard onto the boy's leg.

the boy exclaimed for his little brother to quit it, and tried to shake off his grasp but then got irritated and kicked a nearby basketball underneath the bed to silence the little brother.

he then went downstairs only to find the little brother and the babysitter watching tv. he asked if he grabbed his leg and they looked perplexed.

so they ran upstairs with flashlight and baseball bat in hand and looked underneath the bed. looked everywhere inside the room. the only thing they found was an old photo of a deceased boy in his teens sprawled out with his eyes open and his abdomen innards spilled out in all its gory. the boy in the photo although dead, had a very strange smirk on it.

from that night on, every time the boys went to the bathroom to wash their face with soap, after washing off the soap, and looking in the mirror, they would see that deceased boy's face instead of theirs.
post #90 of 312
I don't really believe in ghosts, but I don't think seeing one would be a bad thing as it would suggest life as we know it does not stop upon death. The house my parents live in (and I grew up in) is supposedly haunted, we were the first family to move in after the previous owner had killed his wife. Several times when I was alone or with another person, distinct voices were heard in the other rooms when nobody else was home, or footsteps walking down the hallway and ending right in front of the door. I wouldn't call either event proof of ghosts, though.
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