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Cultural advice for cutting alcohol?

post #1 of 53
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Over the past year I've lost 20kgs, lowered my cholesterol and bodyfat significantly, etc, but I've been plateaued for a few months now (I'd like to drop at least another 5 kgs and get under 100).

I kicked up the intensity of my workouts, including interval training, but I actually gained weight (muscle) rather than losing fat.

I've started to notice now that, not only have I lost my alcohol tolerance and can feel effects after just two-three beers, but that weight is starting to creep back (back up to 107 after getting as low as 103) and I can't seem to get a good, intense workout the next day after even just a few drinks.

Here's the problem: My business deals with bars and bar owners who keep late hours. I have to go and meet them at their bars to talk shop. Additionally, I live in Korea, where late night binging on both food and drink are often critically important to both business and personal relationships.

I've decided today to seriously cut back my alcohol consumption to just a few drinks per week. But what do I do when I have to visit three bars in a night? I'm afraid ordering water just makes me look cheap and turns off the owner because I'm not contributing to their business, but most of time that's honestly, genuinely, all I want to drink.

A couple other ideas:

Ordering whiskey and sipping on one glass all night. (doesn't help when I have to visit multiple places though)
Find a non-girly, non-alcoholic, low-caloric drink that I can order without getting weird looks.
Substitute drinking for cigars. Bring cigars with me and give them away to smooth over refusing drinks (This one's gonna get pricey... plus increase my cigar consumption).

It just gets so frustrating when I spend all day chugging green tea, eating oatmeal, protein shakes and salads, and then going out to meet people to talk business at night and having multiple beers thrust into my hands. Has anyone else confronted this situation and found a way to deal with it?
post #2 of 53
ordering one stiff drink instead of multiple beers is obviously a great choice, but like you said, it doesn't work if you are going to 2 or 3 bars every night. in your business, i imagine it is taboo to say you want to quit drinking, but if you say you are watching your weight, asking for light beer should not be a problem. then again, i imagine it might be difficult to find light beer in korea.
post #3 of 53
Switch industries.

You can't live a virtuous life while peddling sin. (No sarcasm)
post #4 of 53
Thread Starter 
Quote:
You can't live a virtuous life while peddling sin

I understand the point, and as our company grows I might be able to focus on other clients but as of now, bars (mostly expat bars) are our only clients. I don't really want to get out of the biz for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is that I think we're really on the brink of something big.

I'm thinking I may just have to start flatly passing on the alcohol. I really prefer just being straight-up with people

In response to the light beer question, well, you can get "S Feel Diet" beer, which is regular beer with fiber added. I'm not even kidding. Can't get it in bars though, just convenience stores and super markets.

Generally I drink imported microbrews and tend to favor darker beers, which from what I've read have fewer calories/carbs anyway. Korean beer is not very enjoyable for me.

I could also try ordering wine instead, which I genuinely enjoy more anyway... although people might think it's snooty they might understand me not wanting to slam back five of them at once a bit more.
post #5 of 53
what exactly do you do if you dont mind me asking?
post #6 of 53
Thread Starter 
We're essentially an importer, distributor, and owner/operator of Incredible Technologies games (Golden Tee being the primary game).

We're a pretty small operation, taking it slow and steady, but we're laying a solid foundation for the future and trying to do it right. We're not quitting our day jobs yet, and we're trying to stay down to earth about it, but we're making some real progress.
post #7 of 53
wow sounds pretty cool. so essentially youre making your money off of people paying to play your games? or do you sell them to the bars?
post #8 of 53
and for the problem,you could always say you are either a) taking some kind of medication which doesnt allow you to drink, or b) say you have stomach ulcers. i know some places get offended when you turn something down. so if health is the reason they shouldnt be offended. could work lol.
post #9 of 53
Thread Starter 
Thanks Basically, we maintain ownership of the machines and split the take with the bar owners. Pretty standard from what they do in US/Canada/England/Australia. As far as I know we're the first non-native English speaking country to have it though.
post #10 of 53
nice! ive heard koreans love golf lol. hopefully it goes well! then youre really going to have a drinking problem!
post #11 of 53
Thread Starter 
Thanks We're really hoping the love for golf will translate into a love for a golf game
post #12 of 53
First off congratulations on the fat loss and muscle gain. Good tailoring is really just a facade for people who don't look good with their shirts off. Be sure to change up your workouts every few weeks to keep challenging your body and prevent plateaus. I am a big fan of cross training and recommend getting out of the gym whenever possible. I try and play sports for my aerobic exercise. I refuse to run on a treadmill but will happily chase a ball around a tennis court for hours (I’m smarter than a hamster but not smarter than my dog.) I understand the business demands but it sounds like you are committed to staying fit. If so, I'd start politely ordering a mineral water. I was never in worse physical shape than when I worked in the restaurant business. Heavy meals late at night, smoking, and drinking are flat out incompatible with healthy living.
post #13 of 53
How about Guinness if they have it - definitely not going to be the cheap choice, very low calories, and very low alcohol. And no one expects you to chug it.
post #14 of 53
Vodka and bitter lemon. If they don't have bitter lemon, ask for lemon&lime with water - this is done by adding equal parts of lemonjuice, limejuice and water to the vodka. It's very easy to drink.
A jigger of vodka has 97 calories and no fat, cholesterol or anything like that. Bitter lemon has a pitiful 4 to 6 per glass. The average beer has 200 calories.
post #15 of 53
^^ Yeah, any hard liquor that's not a flavored/sweetened liqueur like Kahlua has about the same calories (around 100 per drink). Lately I've been adding some soda to bourbon and it's pretty tasty, and soda has no calories at all. Tonic has calories from sugar, and diet tonic tastes horrible. So any liquor+soda drink is probably the best calories/alcohol per volume choice. BTW, I'm not a doctor or anything but if you're this sensitive to relatively small amounts of alcohol and sugar, have you gotten yourself checked out for blood sugar problems and/or diabetic/prediabetic conditions? I have a pretty high metabolism but it takes me a fair amount of drinking to make any difference in my weight or even energy levels. Just a thought.
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