Thank you, Mate. Knowing they all relatively fit the same is good in my book as the Cliftons I'll be purchasing are in size E.
Can anyone else confirm this as well? So given my 9.5D PA should I get 9.5 C then?
Just got a pair of Cliftons (walnut) and Hales (black) both in 9E from their factory seconds deal.
The Cliftons have a fair amount of heel slip unless I tie them up tightly, and even then there's still some slip. They are noticeably roomy. The Hales fit fine.
I noticed the 8 last description on their website says they were designed to be used with the orthotics insert? I might give those a try.
Here is a comparison shot of the two shoes