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post #3436 of 3614
I have the same experience with the brown melange. My first impression is it's a 3-button jacket. Like you said, the lapels seem to end sharply at the top button versus extending past it. However I'm going to see what happens when my tailor presses it to a more 2.5 look...

The fabric is great but I was definitely a bit disappointed in the 3-button look. In this case, I would've preferred a simple 2-button.

Edit; adding some crappy cell pics:









I also would prefer the quarters to be more open, I thought that was the plan for this MTO?

(Note: excuse the fit, pics are of an unaltered jacket - it's big through the chest, sleeves are long, and could probably use a nip at the waist...)
Edited by jamie411 - 8/13/16 at 8:31am
post #3437 of 3614
That definitely looks like a hard 3 to me.

I'm not sure that you can even convert a hard 3 to a 3 roll 2. I think I remember a Despos post where he mentioned that altering the roll might require extra fabric allowance, and possibly altering the way that the lapel fabric attaches to the canvas...

... maybe this was made as a 3 roll 2 and pressed to a hard 3 by someone who didn't understand the three roll 2?

I've read some posters who say that if there is a soft canvas the roll may move down over time. So a three becomes a three rolll two. But I don't know...
Edited by scatterbrain - 8/15/16 at 3:06pm
post #3438 of 3614

I can confirm what has been discussed above. The brown melange looks like a hard 3 and the indigo is probably closer to 3 roll 2.5 (very similar to the picture posted above). I've really only owned 2 button jackets. How can I know if it will roll closer to 3r2 over time?

post #3439 of 3614
Curious what Ben gets back to us all with.
post #3440 of 3614
I haven't received my jacket yet, I'll be really disappointed if my jacket looks like a hard 3. Especially with no returns on a preorder. This isn't what I ordered...
post #3441 of 3614

My understanding is that the jackets are returnable if they are not an atypical size. 

post #3442 of 3614
If that’s the case it helps, I ordered a 38r
post #3443 of 3614
Sorry guys I haven't been online in several days as I celebrated another year creeping towards 50. Will be addressing the posts shortly...
post #3444 of 3614
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Originally Posted by Ebichuman View Post

Ben @eHaberdasher, I emailed Colleen several days ago asking when the Bella Spalla jackets might be online. I am talking about the stuff in the current MTO but not yet spoken for - I picked up my pre-ordered jacket but I wanted to pick up another. I hope there your ordered a few extras. I haven't heard back so I am trying you on here... Thanks

We will be putting up a few of the brown/natural glen plaid linen jackets only... the factory was unable to make up any other extra jackets although we may be getting more of the navy hopsack soon.
post #3445 of 3614
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Originally Posted by Ebichuman View Post

Thanks, it'll be good to see it in real life. However, I am afraid my enthusiasm just waned... I came home to my navy hopsack jacket waiting for me (from the latest MTO). I put it on and.... It is a three button jacket. Not 3-2.5 roll. The lapels are pressed so they end right ABOVE the top button.

Dang. Looks wrong.

I compared it to another 3-2.5 jacket I have and the top button in Bella Spalla seems to sit a bit higher and the spacing between buttons is a bit larger. If I try to repress the lapels, the top button will end up on the underside, like a hard 3-2 jacket would have. But the buttons are not finished for that and I am not sure repressing is the right approach anyway.

Thoughts anyone?

Ben - what happened?!
@eHaberdasher

I am very very sorry to hear and see this. First let me assure you if this is the case of your jacket you are free to return it for a full refund. That being said, while I personally did not inspect all of the jackets, all of the ones that I saw (and the few still here in our stock room) are 3 roll 2.5, some with varying degrees of where the roll hits but all here show the roll ending BELOW the top button. I'd like to hope that a few were simply pressed incorrectly at the finish, but it's difficult to say without seeing it in person and trying to have the lapel steam pressed a little bit lower. All of the photos of the garments were just as the jacket lay on the mannequin which do show 3 roll 2.5, so it appears these few examples escaped our attention/inspection.

For those of you who prefer I am happy to address any issues via pm or direct email: ben@ehaberdasher.com

Again - we will endeavor to make things as right as possible.
post #3446 of 3614
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Originally Posted by Ebichuman View Post

It's closer to a simple three button jacket, unfortunately. That's how the lapels are shaped/pressed right now. You can see it in the picture you provided: the lapel button is pressed so it ends just above the top button and so is the other lapel: you can see the crease on it, it looks like a shadow but it is the actual crease. On the jacket in picture, the top button is unbuttoned which gives appearance of maybe 3-2.5 roll but it's misleading, it is still a three button jacket with the top button open. The issue is that the lapel roll doesn't extend below the top button, depriving the jacket of the curved lapel look that is usually common with 3-2.5 roll.

I wonder if other who received the latest MTO experienced the same issue. And of course, I am eager to hear from Ben...

I'd like to believe that at least some of these is a press issue. The finishing presser wasn't gentle enough in the final pressing of the jacket? Also may have possible pressed in the wrong place? Hold on let me grab a jacket here and take a pic...
post #3447 of 3614


This is the way the jacket came and what was intended. It appears some of you may have received a less than ideal executed 3 roll 2.5. If this is the case please email or pm me with any specific concerns or issues and I can address them individually. Sorry guys!
post #3448 of 3614
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Originally Posted by jamie411 View Post

I have the same experience with the brown melange. My first impression is it's a 3-button jacket. Like you said, the lapels seem to end sharply at the top button versus extending past it. However I'm going to see what happens when my tailor presses it to a more 2.5 look...

The fabric is great but I was definitely a bit disappointed in the 3-button look. In this case, I would've preferred a simple 2-button.

Edit; adding some crappy cell pics:









I also would prefer the quarters to be more open, I thought that was the plan for this MTO?

(Note: excuse the fit, pics are of an unaltered jacket - it's big through the chest, sleeves are long, and could probably use a nip at the waist...)

I agree this does not look right and was not intended to look this way. Yes please do let us know how it goes with the tailor press.

We did ask about discuss more open quarters with the technician and they wanted to do a sample which would have set us back another 4-6 weeks so we didn't go forward with that modification because we didn't want to further delay production.
post #3449 of 3614
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Originally Posted by redbeardedmike View Post

My understanding is that the jackets are returnable if they are not an atypical size. 

Yes, if the roll is too high we will take it back for sure.
post #3450 of 3614
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Originally Posted by hookem12387 View Post

Curious what Ben gets back to us all with.

Quote:
Originally Posted by redbeardedmike View Post

My understanding is that the jackets are returnable if they are not an atypical size. 

That's great to hear. I just opened my package and it is certainly a hard 3 and I'll ne returning mine. Too bad, as other that this issue the jacket is great.
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