I just tried online through JCPenny again, this time for pants.
I had tried really hard to find a shirt style of any kind in athletic, trim, slim or modern and failed miserably. I took everything back. The cuts are bizzare and wrong. Pockets practically under the arm holes.. or Ironman style near the chest.
So I didn't have high hopes looking for pants would work out.
I started by looking in the Stafford collection, known for listing the content of their fabrics. And started in Suit Separates since they are often imported (perhaps from Italy) at lower costs than usual.
I worried the fabrics would be thin, inconsistent or just cut all wrong.. but continued.
First the link - Stafford® Travel Suit Separates - Slim Fit
They are sold as a Suit jacket and pant separately.
I was only interested in the pant. They actually have them in 100% wool and a wool/polyester blend. Since I was looking for something for work, I went with the blend.
I didn't really expect success and was surprised they went down to 29 and 28 inch waist.
The 30 inch inseam however was what I thought would make the pants balloon around my thighs and calves. But I figured what the heck, they can always be hemmed and maybe they take that into account.
It was near New Years and they had a 50% off sale, nice.. and would deliver to the local store for no shipping fee.. also very nice.
I ordered the 29 x 30 and was kind of disappointed, the waist still seemed to orbit my belt line like Jupiter orbits the Sun. The "troughy" trousers had kind of a regular triangular cut from the hips to the ankle. But the "rise" was much shorter than any pant I'd tried before, they were lined to the knee and the fabric felt "wooly" and less like a blend than I expected.
So I ordered the 28 x 30 and was simply "Amazed" beyond words.
I've never worn pants where.. I actually thought.. are the legs too narrow? from a stylish stand point? I mean they fit, I had plenty of room.. but they didn't look like Flags on a Flagpole. The extra fabric of the 30 inch inseam caused multiple "breaks" at the bottom over my dress shoes.. but getting them hemmed was really an option now.
The knees were not down at the ankles.
I would have to say they are bigger than a 28 inch waist.. they run large enough for exactly two fingers extra inside my belt loop for me.. and they ride "just above" the hips.. different from a jean.. but not like a formal dance belt over the waist. So if you wear jeans a lot they won't feel all much different.
The "rise" is definitely "shorter" and by this I mean they ride above the hips, but not by much.. and thats good, because on me.. any higher and I'd be signing Soprano.
I worry in my excitement they actually could be a tiny bit too tight.. but as objectively as I could these were a better fit overall than a 29 x 30 by a large factor.
They have belt loops, and it looks like the waist is designed with a little extra fabric to let the seat out if necessary. And of course if hemmed right.. a growing boy could wear these and have them altered until their waist over took what could be let out.
So they are out for alterations or I'd post a picture. I've never had alterations done before, so this is the first time with a tailor.. even for a simple hem I'm nervous. These pants come so close to being off the rack "perfect".
I just really liked seeing the crease in the pants legs glide unbroken from my waist area all the way to my shoe. I felt like James Bond.
But even the Online JCPenny store seems to run out of stock for this item in the 28x30 in many of the colors quickly.. I'm guessing it has to do with imports and taking the risk short guys will order these online. They do not carry them in store.
Next up I'll be looking at the Jackets that go with these and the 100% wool counter parts.
The quality may actually not be up to the guy who are a bit larger and have lots of choices. But for me where "fit" is everything.. I'm simply very pleased.
As a side note, a friend convinced me to try Jos A. Banks and I found one 35S Suit in the entire store, it felt great and fit really well, but at that price, I had to reconsider for now.
Its really hard finding "good fitting clothes" for a smaller man, the temptation is always there to compromise and buy a nice looking shirt with a window pane pattern or stripes.
But the shirt is the only thing that will look good on you draped over your Charlie Brown frame. I don't have a gut and I've got decent shoulders.. but when it comes to wearing "Tents" we all look like Charlie Brown.. trust me.. "fit" has to come first.. above all else.
Another thing is I've discovered the "difference" between Laundry "Sizing and Starch".
"Sizing" is applied like Starch from an Aerosol can, but smells nice and seems to impart a wrinkle free stability and soft texture to fabric. It makes dress shirts that are washable very comfortable and removes puckers at the seams.
"Starch" adds body and structure? to a fabric that previously had no stand up power.
I rather like "Sizing" for the everyday, its less "uncomfortable" than Starch, doesn't seem to flake as much or smell as bad. Yet it also seems to get the wrinkles out and keeps them out for a while.