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post #256 of 264
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I don't think it's his supporting cast's fault. I think they have the players. I think they need a coach
Bingo. I haven't been a fan of Mike Brown since the 2007 playoffs. His only offensive play is "give the ball to LeBron and everyone watch". Of course, they could use a big, young horse inside, someone like Carlos Boozer, for example. I do think Mo Williams is an upgrade over Delonte West or anyone else the Cavs have at the point, so the trade is a good one for the Cavs
post #257 of 264
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I hate hate hate hate basketball commentators talking about Team USA needing to shoot the ball better and how their problems involve playing too much 1 on 1 and not shooting 3s well enough. They didn't lose to greece in 06 or other teams in 04 because of lack of scoring. They lost because they can't fucking play team defense (greece shot 60%). Coah K's defensive trap and run sytem is awesome for mediocre teams without good guards, but against greece, spain, argentina, and a healthy lithuania team, it won't work at all. If anything, it will be detrimental to the team as they'll be out of position more. They can't play team defense whatsoever.

How come in the nba, people always talk about what wins championships is team defense and rebounding. Celtics, spurs, pistons all have been great over the years (celtics just last year though) because of great TEAM defense and rebounding. However, when it comes to talking about team usa, all anyone wants to talk about is not shooting 3 pointers well enough or playing too much 1 on 1. I understand casual basketball fans to only look at the offensive side of the ball or individual defensive achievements like steals, blocks or even lock down D. There's a reason guys like kurt thomas, robert horry, bruce bowen, and others have been so great. They rotate superbly, are always in position, box out well, and can play 1 on 1 D when needed.


That being said, Team USA in general doesn't really look any better. They still don't shoot, play team d, rebound or execute half court offense/defense well. They're still the heavy favorites i think to win it all, but they're far from a great "team". I kinda hope they lose because they don't deserve it.

+1. I saw the first half of this morning's game vs. Greece. Even though USA was up by almost 20 at halftime, Greece scored most of its points on cutting layups and wide-open dunks. USA was just out-athleting them. But I still want them to win.
post #258 of 264
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Bingo. I haven't been a fan of Mike Brown since the 2007 playoffs. His only offensive play is "give the ball to LeBron and everyone watch". Of course, they could use a big, young horse inside, someone like Carlos Boozer, for example.

I do think Mo Williams is an upgrade over Delonte West or anyone else the Cavs have at the point, so the trade is a good one for the Cavs

I think with the trade they got more value and gave less but I would not say it was neccessarily good for them since like I mentioned before, they have a decent group of guards already.

Delonte West is underrated in my opinion. Also I think that him and Mo Williams are similar type of players. I have never watched Mo Williams play really so I can't be sure on this one but I was just looking at his stats.
I just dont like how they have 3 decent point guards and all 3 of them are scoring point guards over passing. They could probably put one at the other guard spot though and bench Wally.
All 3 of the PG's are pretty young so they wont get to develop as much while they have to compete for playing time =/
post #259 of 264
I think Mo Williams is a significant upgrade over West. While West is capable of putting up a huge game every now and then, Mo Williams is pretty consistent on a nightly basis. And he shoots a good percentage from the field. Cleveland doesn't really need a pure point guard, since Lebron likes to be the one who creates for his teammates. The Bucks are definitely worse off because of the deal, but I understand they needed to make room for Ramon Sessions. The Bucks have a history of trading away players right before they hit their prime, such as Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, and now maybe Mo Williams.
post #260 of 264
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I think with the trade they got more value and gave less but I would not say it was neccessarily good for them since like I mentioned before, they have a decent group of guards already.

Delonte West is underrated in my opinion. Also I think that him and Mo Williams are similar type of players. I have never watched Mo Williams play really so I can't be sure on this one but I was just looking at his stats.
I just dont like how they have 3 decent point guards and all 3 of them are scoring point guards over passing. They could probably put one at the other guard spot though and bench Wally.
All 3 of the PG's are pretty young so they wont get to develop as much while they have to compete for playing time =/

I can agree that the point guard spot is crowded, but I expect the Cavs to let Delonte go in free agency or trade one of their young "point" guards.

With LeBron's passing abilities, their point guard really needs only to bring the ball up the court before passing to LeBron and letting him run the offense. With LeBron's passing skills, it's not a bad thing to have a shooter or combo guard at the point.
post #261 of 264
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I can agree that the point guard spot is crowded, but I expect the Cavs to let Delonte go in free agency or trade one of their young "point" guards.

With LeBron's passing abilities, their point guard really needs only to bring the ball up the court before passing to LeBron and letting him run the offense. With LeBron's passing skills, it's not a bad thing to have a shooter or combo guard at the point.

Agreed. What's more is that Mo can do much more than just bring the ball off the court. The guy can score. He can create his own shot, and he'll take a lot of pressure of Bron. While he's a pathetic defender, he'll be the best pg LeBron's played with (not counting the US team, of course). I've got high hopes for Cleveland next season (but I really can't wait to see the new and improved Sixers).

The downside, of course, is Mo's fat contract. They won't be players in the free agency game next summer unless it's via trade.

Fire Mike Brown
post #262 of 264
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I think Mo Williams is a significant upgrade over West. While West is capable of putting up a huge game every now and then, Mo Williams is pretty consistent on a nightly basis. And he shoots a good percentage from the field. Cleveland doesn't really need a pure point guard, since Lebron likes to be the one who creates for his teammates.

The Bucks are definitely worse off because of the deal, but I understand they needed to make room for Ramon Sessions. The Bucks have a history of trading away players right before they hit their prime, such as Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, and now maybe Mo Williams.

Your forgetting a few recent players: T.J. Ford and Yi Jian Lin(spelling?). Yi is defenitely not in prime but he is expected to be a similar player to Kevin Garnett. Of course he could be a flop.

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I can agree that the point guard spot is crowded, but I expect the Cavs to let Delonte go in free agency or trade one of their young "point" guards.

With LeBron's passing abilities, their point guard really needs only to bring the ball up the court before passing to LeBron and letting him run the offense. With LeBron's passing skills, it's not a bad thing to have a shooter or combo guard at the point.

I stand corrected on my passing point. I was not thinking about LeBron's passing skills when I made my reply.

I still am skeptical of the trade. I just feel like the Cavaliers keep making bad trades 2-3 times a year just to keep LeBron from leaving in 2010. All these trades they make end up bringing the same criticism back about the cavs: They have nobody to help LeBron. Maybe it's the coaching or maybe the GM is making bad trades or maybe this is the trade that brings them to the next level. I just feel like it is one of the first two options.
post #263 of 264
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Your forgetting a few recent players: T.J. Ford and Yi Jian Lin(spelling?). Yi is defenitely not in prime but he is expected to be a similar player to Kevin Garnett. Of course he could be a flop.

But TJ is still a big injury scare, I'm just not convinced the Bucks will make any true advances.
post #264 of 264
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But TJ is still a big injury scare, I'm just not convinced the Bucks will make any true advances.

True on both comments. The bucks are supposed to be in a rebuilding stage yet they traded for Richard Jefferson earlier who is peaked out and soon to be on the decline for their young top draft pick. Also Mo Williams was another young star they traded away.
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