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post #46 of 56
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I was referring to a source for Oxxford in the Netherlands...
Despite the good stories about Ebay i read on this forum, I am still a bit hesitant. Especially about brands where I don't havy any experience concerning how they fit. In another topic I saw a beautiful Kiton suit for $2499 on ebay and I just thought, why would anybody spend that much money on a suit on Ebay? You can get a tailormade Sartoria Partenopea or Brioni at retail for that kind of money. I don't know. May be it is my inexperience, but i'd rather pay that bit more and get it exactly how I want it.
post #47 of 56
Hmm, you can get MTM/bespoke brioni for $2500 in Europe? Wow... the euro must be REALLY strong... at Wilkes a MTM Brioni was $5500...
post #48 of 56
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Hmm, you can get MTM/bespoke brioni for $2500 in Europe?  Wow... the euro must be REALLY strong... at Wilkes a MTM Brioni was $5500...
A bespoke Brioni in a Super 120 would cost roughly €2.200,-euro's at my retailer. That's about $2.860,- So not exactly 2500. But i'd rather pay that bit more than get a 2500 Kiton of of Ebay.
post #49 of 56
I thought bespoke Brioni could only be done at Brioni's Milan boutique, do you mean made to measure Brioni?
post #50 of 56
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I thought bespoke Brioni could only be done at Brioni's Milan boutique, do you mean made to measure Brioni?
I'm not to familiar with these terms in English. So I could make some mistakes. But for the 2200 euros or 2860 dollars it's a custom made Brioni, tailormade. They take your measurements, certain details you want in the suit etc. and you wait about 2 months to receive your suit. I thought made to measure was when they have a roughly good fitting suit and then look at what kind of adjustments have to be made?
post #51 of 56
Bespoke refers to creating a completely new paper pattern and optimizing it to the customer though several fittings, I think MTM in the context of Brioni means that they take your measurements, and modify an existing pattern to fit, but I could be wrong.
post #52 of 56
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Bespoke refers to creating a completely new paper pattern and optimizing it to the customer though several fittings, I think MTM in the context of Brioni means that they take your measurements, and modify an existing pattern to fit, but I could be wrong.
I have no clue to be honest. But I know it's made to your size. It's not a suit that you pick in the store and then alter. They do take your measurements, your specifications and then order it. But it does depend on the fabric you choose. If you choose a Diamond Chip fabric by Scabal the same suit can run you about 9.000 euros, or about 11700 dollars. The point is, even if it is not bespoke. The suit is custom made for you. Every detail, it just fits better than a Kiton suit which you buy on Ebay for a huge discount.
post #53 of 56
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(drizzt3117 @ 07 Dec. 2004, 9:32) Bespoke refers to creating a completely new paper pattern and optimizing it to the customer though several fittings, I think MTM in the context of Brioni means that they take your measurements, and modify an existing pattern to fit, but I could be wrong.
I have no clue to be honest. But I know it's made to your size. It's not a suit that you pick in the store and then alter. They do take your measurements, your specifications and then order it. But it does depend on the fabric you choose. If you choose a Diamond Chip fabric by Scabal the same suit can run you about 9.000 euros, or about 11700 dollars. The point is, even if it is not bespoke. The suit is custom made for you. Every detail, it just fits better than a Kiton suit which you buy on Ebay for a huge discount.
The Brioni you have ordered is indeed a MTM, yes you do get measured and you get to choose the model you want, along with other various detailing, but it is not "bespoke". A bespoke item is something that is totally unique to you in all aspects. As Drizz says, a paper pattern unique to your measurements, your specifications in terms of shoulder, chest expression, gorge, button placement, etc. etc. is made. You can only get that at Brioni's store in Milan (but I got mine in their Roman Barbarini store several years ago).
post #54 of 56
That's still relatively inexpensive. In the US, MTM Brioni suits range from the high $3000 range to the mid $5000 or higher, depending on fabric.
post #55 of 56
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That's still relatively inexpensive.  In the US, MTM Brioni suits range from the high $3000 range to the mid $5000 or higher, depending on fabric.
Another example, mtm Borrelli shirts are available from € 200,- (for the cheapest fabric). This is, euhm $ 260,- Sea Island Cotton is somewhere around € 300,- or $ 390,- This is all MTM. Funny thing is, most retail Borrelli shirts are about € 230,- because retailers buy them in pretty expensive fabrics. Barba di Napoli MTM in Sea Island Cotton is about € 250 and in a 'normal' cotton somewhere around € 200,-
post #56 of 56
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The Brioni you have ordered is indeed a MTM, yes you do get measured and you get to choose the model you want, along with other various detailing, but it is not "bespoke".  A bespoke item is something that is totally unique to you in all aspects.  As Drizz says, a paper pattern unique to your measurements, your specifications in terms of shoulder, chest expression, gorge, button placement, etc. etc. is made. You can only get that at Brioni's store in Milan (but I got mine in their Roman Barbarini store several years ago).
This is some useful info. The difference between MTM and Bespoke has always been a bit vague to me.
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