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post #16 of 31
I agree, this is beautiful! There may still be a market for it, especially as more people continue to enter the world of quality menswear.
post #17 of 31
Going back to my original post - IMHO you need both cream (pot) and wax (tin) for your shoes. The cream will color and nourish the leather, the wax will seal and shine. Depending on your rotation - i.e. the when you wear your shoes - one in three times you will need to apply cream to the shoes and them wax. Normally you wax after the wear (I use on my shoes also an application of conditioner, when I take my shoes out, still "hot", it restores the creases, etc.).
The cream will not make your shoes shine (well, Saphir Medaille d'Or, does) but it will restore the balance of the leather and it will keep it flexible. Then you apply the wax lightly on the vamp and heavy on the toe and heel area, if you want a real look. Do not try to give a quasi - patent leather look to all the shoe, it will get very creasy, just the toe area and the heel area. With some practice it is feasible at home, it's important just to put little quantities of wax and a drop of water plus lots of elbow grease. Btw, Kiwi in wax is also great.
Good luck!
post #18 of 31
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Originally Posted by kiLLscaLLion View Post
Thanks for the advice. Is Saphir black a type of conditioner? I'm browsing francos.com for shoe accessories and the different Saphir products are bewildering.
I compiled a list of different Saphir products and available colors below. Avel/Saphir markets several lines of leather, fabric and furniture care products under the Saphir label. The main line of shoe care products consists of paste wax (Pate De Luxe) and shoe cream (Creme Surfine). Then there is the premium, more expensive line of shoe care products called Medaille D'Or, which also has a paste wax product and shoe cream product. Both product lines are based on beeswax, turpentine and carnauba wax. Supposedly, Medaille D'or line has a higher beeswax content than the main Saphir line. Subjectivly, it appears denser and smells a little different. Medaile D'Or comes in black colored tins and jars. It consists of 10 colors of Cirage Pate Deluxe Medaille D'Or (the paste wax product available in 50ml and 100ml metal tins) and 10 colors of Creme Medaile D'Or (the shoe cream product comes in 100ml glass jars). All Saphir products carry a label with a color code number and color name in several languages. The color names and color code stay the same between different Saphir product lines. The Cirage Pate Deluxe Medaille D'Or (paste wax) is available in the following colors: Jaun Cire (color code )/ yellow Cognac (color code 10)/a shade of medium brown with some yellow tint, 100ml tin only Marron Clair (03)/ light brown Marron Moyen (37)/ medium brown Marron Fonce (05)/ very dark brown Acajou (09)/Mahogany, medium brown with some red Havane (34)/Light Tabacco brown, 100ml tin only Bleu Marine (06)/ Navy Noir (01)/ Black Incolore (02) Neutral wax with no color pigment Creme Medaile D'Or (shoe cream) comes in the following colors: Marron Clair (03)/ light brown Marron Moyen (37)/ medium brown Marron Fonce (05)/ very dark brown Acajou (09)/Mahogany, medium brown with some red Noir (01)/ Black Bordeaux (08)/ also listed as Burgundy on the can, I find it funny how Bordeaux is translated as Burngundy, they should have wrote "Red Wine" Hermes Rouge (12)/ dark red but not quite burgundy Vert Fonce (20)/ Dark green Bleu Marine (06)/ Navy Incolore (02) Neutral wax with no color pigment There are a few other products in the Medaile D'Or line which Ron mentioned already: Renovateur - leather conditioner, may darken light leathers a bit. Graisse - 15% Seal fat based leather conditioner-water reppelant, has an assertive "marine" smell that diminishes over time. Special Reptile - conditioner for exotic leathers, such as crocodile, lizard, snake, etc. There are also other products like Nappa leather conditioners, leather restrorers, suede cleaners etc. Saphir main shoe care line consists of Pate De Luxe (paste wax, 50ml and 100ml tins, 9 or maybe more colors) and Creme Surfine (shoe cream, 50ml glass jars, approx. 74 colors). Pate De Luxe (wax) is available in the following colors (maybe more): Jaun Cire (color code )/ yellow Marron Clair (03)/ light brown Marron Moyen (37)/ medium brown Marron Fonce (05)/ very dark brown Acajou (09)/Mahogany, medium brown with some red Noir (01)/ Black Bordeaux (08)/ also listed as Burgundy on the can Incolore (02) Neutral wax with no color pigment I am not going to list all the Creme Surfine colors since there are at least 74 of them but it includes all of the colors available in other lines I listed above as well some unusual colors like silver, white or green apple, etc. There are also at least a dozen of different shades of brown, including all the brown colors from other lines. A few more brown colors listed below. Havane Clair (36)/ Light Tobacco Brown Havane Moyen (35)/ Medium Tobacco Brown Fawn (19)/ yellowish tan Noisette (38)/ Hazelnut Hope this information proves usefull to someone.
post #19 of 31
Thanks, Dmax. That's awesome. It confirms my suspicion that the neutral cream that Scafora offers is Saphir.

Here's my question about the Saphir cream--it seems to me to get absorbed into the leather to a greater degree than, say, a paste wax (of any brand). Yet it shines up better (or at least more easily) than most creams I've tried. Is using it almost exclusively a viable substitute for conditioner+paste? (Assuming you're happy with the shine?) If so, I think I just changed my polishing regime.
post #20 of 31
What is the best brush to buy? Will any old one do? Who has the best price on the basics?
post #21 of 31
Dmax, that is very useful. In your researching of the various Saphir lines, did you come across a functioning source for Crema Alpina (not an Avel product)? I've purchased it in the past from Franco's, but that source seems to have dried up, and my supply is close to doing the same. It's the best leather conditioner I've used.
post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by Roger View Post
Dmax, that is very useful. In your researching of the various Saphir lines, did you come across a functioning source for Crema Alpina (not an Avel product)? I've purchased it in the past from Franco's, but that source seems to have dried up, and my supply is close to doing the same. It's the best leather conditioner I've used.

Excellent list Dmax.

+1 on the Crema Alpina. Bought it from Franco's as well. It is in liquid form. Rub it onto the leather, let dried and then buff to a nice "warm" shine with a woollen cloth. Pretty amazing stuff. I'd like to know where I can get more.
post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by grimslade View Post
Thanks, Dmax. That's awesome. It confirms my suspicion that the neutral cream that Scafora offers is Saphir. Here's my question about the Saphir cream--it seems to me to get absorbed into the leather to a greater degree than, say, a paste wax (of any brand). Yet it shines up better (or at least more easily) than most creams I've tried. Is using it almost exclusively a viable substitute for conditioner+paste? (Assuming you're happy with the shine?) If so, I think I just changed my polishing regime.
I like to use a conditioner (on occasion), cream (all the time) and paste wax (when I can spare 20+ minutes) on all of my shoes. A couple of my newer shoes have only seen the conditioner and the cream since I have not set aside the time to perform the proper "glacage". Using just the cream without the wax will give you an acceptable shine in no time at all. If you want a mirror shine, you would need to use the wax combined with water and lots of elbow grease.
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Originally Posted by Roger View Post
Dmax, that is very useful. In your researching of the various Saphir lines, did you come across a functioning source for Crema Alpina (not an Avel product)? I've purchased it in the past from Franco's, but that source seems to have dried up, and my supply is close to doing the same. It's the best leather conditioner I've used.
Unfortunately, I have only seen Crema Alpina at Franco's. Maybe Ron Rider can tell us there are plans for another shipment from Italy.
post #24 of 31
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What is the best brush to buy? Will any old one do? Who has the best price on the basics?
I use horsehair brushes. I think any old horsehair brush will do as long as it is comfortable to hold. Some people have different brushes for lighter and darker shoes to avoid transfering black cream on light brown shoes and the like... Your local shoe shine/shoe repair store should carry horsehair brushes and Meltonian, Kiwi, or Lincoln cream and polish. Add an old t-shirt and that should be all you need for basic shoe care.
post #25 of 31
If I were to start a kit myself, I would get various Lincoln waxes, one conditioner like Lexol, 2 horsehair brushes, and some cheap kiwi daubers. A cedar box is nice too. Also, I find those women's make-up remover pads invaluable, and cheap.

Also, start cutting up your t-shirts.
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by Tarmac View Post
If I were to start a kit myself, I would get various Lincoln waxes, one conditioner like Lexol, 2 horsehair brushes, and some cheap kiwi daubers. A cedar box is nice too. Also, I find those women's make-up remover pads invaluable, and cheap.

Also, start cutting up your t-shirts.

I thought that I've read on numerous occasions that Lexol can darken some leathers.
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by Jumbie View Post
I thought that I've read on numerous occasions that Lexol can darken some leathers.

I don't like Lexol myself, at least for shoes.
post #28 of 31
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I thought that I've read on numerous occasions that Lexol can darken some leathers.
True. It even warns of this possibility on the container.
post #29 of 31
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Originally Posted by Roger View Post
True. It even warns of this possibility on the container.
Okay so like, just get Lexol for black shoes. It's made in the USA and doesn't use any harmful chemicals and is great aside from the fact that it darkens. And you can get the kind that doesn't darken, aptly titled "non-darkening". Question: Should I get Lexol and use it on some cognac shoes that are too light to darken them? Question 2: Why does everyone want a cedar box to put their shoe cleaning stuff in? Can't I just use an old shoe box?
post #30 of 31
I suppose an old shoe box would work but I prefer keeping mine in an old shoe tree box!
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