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post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by yachtie View Post
Shell absorbs so little color that you could probably wax it with anything and the color wouldn't appreciably change.

I think it's marketing hype re: the AE product.


I agree with this. The results using the AE cream and Kiwi "cordovan" color polish are essentially the same. Cordovan shoes hardly absorb polish or cream at all and they need polishing so infrequently I really can't see how what you use would make a big difference.
My shoes look great after years of use with the AE cream and occasionally the Kiwi when I can find it more easily in the bin.
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by billiebob View Post
I agree with this. The results using the AE cream and Kiwi "cordovan" color polish are essentially the same. Cordovan shoes hardly absorb polish or cream at all and they need polishing so infrequently I really can't see how what you use would make a big difference.
My shoes look great after years of use with the AE cream and occasionally the Kiwi when I can find it more easily in the bin.
Presumably use of cream would be less advised because of the lesser permeability of shell cordovan and the weaker protection against the elements that it provides in comparison with a paste wax. And the latter does produce a better shine.
post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by billiebob View Post
Cordovan shoes hardly absorb polish or cream at all

I don't think this is correct. I've scratched my #8 shells before, and I used cordovan colored wax which did a poor job of covering the scratches. Meltonian cream, however, did a great job that is still nicely colored.
post #19 of 29
I have both the AE Cream and the Alden Wax, I don't feel either is much better or worse than the other.

With regards to the OP, it just sounds like you used too much.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post
I don't think this is correct. I've scratched my #8 shells before, and I used cordovan colored wax which did a poor job of covering the scratches. Meltonian cream, however, did a great job that is still nicely colored.
Well, what is correct is that shell cordovan is a far less-permeable leather than calfskin. It's not surprising that a cream re-colored the scratches on your shoes (and surprising that the wax didn't), but as a general protectant against the elements, it will be less effective than wax.
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by Roger View Post
Well, what is correct is that shell cordovan is a far less-permeable leather than calfskin. It's not surprising that a cream re-colored the scratches on your shoes (and surprising that the wax didn't), but as a general protectant against the elements, it will be less effective than wax.

I made no statement about protection.
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post
I made no statement about protection.
So what? This is a thread about how to care for shell cordovan, and that does include protection against the elements. The goal isn't to cast doubt on your statement, but rather to add texture to it so as to provide a clearer perspective. It sounded that you were saying that you preferred cream to wax, and that's the larger issue to which I was responding. But let me ask the question: Do you first re-color scratches and scuffs with Meltonian cream and then apply a wax?
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by Roger View Post
Well, I haven't seen any suggestions from Alden that owners of shell cordovan use "regular" wax.

This from the Alden of Carmel (although they're not really in Carmel, of course) page I linked above:
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For shell cordovan shoes, Alden reccommends using paste wax polish, and not shoe cream.

I agree that they do not use the word "regular".
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by Roger View Post
So what? This is a thread about how to care for shell cordovan, and that does include protection against the elements. The goal isn't to cast doubt on your statement, but rather to add texture to it so as to provide a clearer perspective. It sounded that you were saying that you preferred cream to wax, and that's the larger issue to which I was responding. But let me ask the question: Do you first re-color scratches and scuffs with Meltonian cream and then apply a wax?

God you can be argumentative. Please look back at exactly what I quoted, Roger, and then read exactly what I wrote. I made no mention of protection at all. The statement I quoted had to do with absorption rates of cream vs. wax. The original poster said they're the same. I said I didn't think so and stated why. It had nothing to do with protection. Is this hard for you to understand, or do you just like snipping at people?

As for your question: I don't usually use cream on shell, just wax. I used cream to color the scratched shell.
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post
God you can be argumentative. Please look back at exactly what I quoted, Roger, and then read exactly what I wrote. I made no mention of protection at all. The statement I quoted had to do with absorption rates of cream vs. wax. The original poster said they're the same. I said I didn't think so and stated why. It had nothing to do with protection. Is this hard for you to understand, or do you just like snipping at people?

As for your question: I don't usually use cream on shell, just wax. I used cream to color the scratched shell.
LOL!!! Good lord, Teacher; this is really the pot calling the kettle black! From everything I've read on this and the other forum over several years, I would say it's you who really, really likes "snipping at people" (as your immediately-preceding post so well illustrates). Can you not understand ("or do you just like snipping at people?") why I added the part about overall protection. As I stated very clearly (at least it seemed clear to me, but perhaps you have a learning disability with the language), my purpose was not to take issue with what you said (and in fact I agreed with the essence of what you said), but rather to reinforce the widely-supported suggestion to use wax, rather than cream, with shell cordovan. To not let this important fact get lost. Get it now? Are you constitutionally unable to read a post without somehow desperately looking for a slight towards yourself? And, by golly, finding one when it doesn't exist? Jeez, get a grip (or maybe some counselling). If you feel an overwhelming rush of emotion to respond to this (as I expect you will, if past performance is any indicator), be my guest. I'm now leaving this thread for good!
post #26 of 29
I'm going to see what just sunlight rain and a brushing now and again does to the shell. I'll wax and cream my calf but I think I like the messy look the hard wearing cordovan takes (even though it's yet to look in any way messy). i might change my mind in time with them already having a few scratches from dames hittin' the toes while dancing.
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by Matt Deckard View Post
I'm going to see what just sunlight rain and a brushing now and again does to the shell. I'll wax and cream my calf but I think I like the messy look the hard wearing cordovan takes (even though it's yet to look in any way messy). i might change my mind in time with them already having a few scratches from dames hittin' the toes while dancing.
They really won't look bad at all.
post #28 of 29
My experience has been that using AE cordovan cream darkens and restores the burgundy color on my #8 cordovan shoes.
post #29 of 29

Awaiting my first two Cordovan from AE, I visited their store in NYC. The gentle who works there advised me to use "BLACK" polish sparingly. Maybe this is to admit their color is not dark enough? BTW, I ordered Macneil & Dundee, both in burgundy color. 

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