Vent with weights in them?

Originally Posted by JLibourel

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Might have been owned by somebody who habitually packs a gun. Putting a weight in the hem of the jacket makes it easier to sweep the jacket back to access the gun. It's an old gunfighter's trick.

isn't that for the sides? how would that help on the vent?

Originally Posted by Sator

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Years ago when I first starting getting involved in internet fora/discussion groups I was horrified to discover that otherwise perfectly respectable Americans went to work with a concealed gun.

I still haven't figure out how "the right to bear arms" doesn't include machine guns and bazookas. Heck, why not go to work in a tank?


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I love how a "weights in vents" question became a gun thread. Someone over at *fill in name of gun forum* is laughing their ass off or crying quietly right now.

Chanel knit jackets have a chain sewn into the bottom of the hem. This acts as a weight to ensure the jacket hangs properly. I like the idea of judiciously placed weights, but I've never had a fit issue that couldn't be solved through tailoring.

Originally Posted by DandySF

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Chanel knit jackets have a chain sewn into the bottom of the hem. This acts as a weight to ensure the jacket hangs properly. I like the idea of judiciously placed weights, but I've never had a fit issue that couldn't be solved through tailoring.
I wonder how well that would work for trouser cuffs...

Originally Posted by Augusto86

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You wouldn't dare say that to my face. I know Krab Magoo and an ex-Navy SEAL taught me how to kill a man using only my spleen and a belt buckle.

THE Mr. Magoo? A genuine style icon and cold-blooded killer.

As much as I hold that if the criminals don't have easy access to firearms, you won't need one either, I still wouldn't mind a discrete pistol to blast a clear path through Brunswick Street Fitzroy on a Friday night.

Oh yeah, topic. Weights can make things hang the way the designer intends , I suppose. Surely though that superior tailoring can also do this.

Originally Posted by Despos

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Poor gas mileage

still, doesn't stop americans from owning and driving giant SUV's or hummers to and from a park 5 minutes away to go for an ironic walk.

Originally Posted by John Ellis

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It is very strange. I know lots of entirely respectable people who are absolutely wedded to them. Whenever you question their logic they either talk about the right to bear arms or the need to defend themselves against attack. Of course every so often some outrage occurs where people are murdered in their homes by intruders and this is allegedly why folks need guns. No matter that some of these outrages occur where people actually have guns to defend themselves. I seem to recall there are about 25,000 or so gun deaths a year in the US of which about 12,000 are homicides, there's a similar number of suicides and about 5000 "accidents" quite often involving kids who of course know exactly where dad has hidden the shooter if he's even taken the trouble to do so. It's one of those situations where the cure is worse than the disease. Scarcely a week goes by without some new mass shooting, post offices are very popular for some reason, but even the most egregious like that at VA tech seem to have little impact. Politicians and pundit mouth the usual bs and then it on to Dancing with the Stars. But then we are living in country where about 40% apparently believes in alien abduction so it's not very surprising they see no connection between an estimated firearms population of 200 million plus and firearms death rates hundreds or thousands of time greater than those to be found in any other western country.


I hate wading into these gun control debates. They tend to be very hackneyed and tedious. Let's look at a few figures: Per my 2005 Almanac, in the year 2001, far from there being about 5,000 deaths from firearms "accidents," there were 802. Of these 15 were children under 5 and 57 from ages 5 to 14. You may wish to argue that, "One is too many," but still 72 is a minuscule number in a nation of 300-odd million. The majority of the deaths from firearms were suicides--16,869 out of a total of 29,573. However, a number of countries with much stricter gun laws than the USA have higher suicide rates.

Nor is there any correlation between firearms ownership and homicide rates. According some statistics I saw about 15 years ago, France, which had a surprisingly high rate of household gun ownership--30%, compared to about 49% for the USA, had a homicide rate somewhat lower than Germany's, which had about a 10% rate of household gun ownership.

Although it is not very PC to say this, but is a high homicide rate altogether a bad thing? A very large percentage of homicides involve one criminal bumping off another. A former homicide investigator for the Detroit PD told me that in 80% of the cases he investigated there "wasn't a nickel's worth of difference between the perp and the victim." Another officer at medium-sized city to the East of L.A. told me that every Monday the Captain would read off the names of that weekend's homicide victims to the assembled cops. Frequently, it would be interrupted with laughter and cheers when a known bad actor had met his demise.

Handgun sales in the USA had a spike in 1993, when about three million were sold, and 1994, when four million were sold. Since then, the market has been fairly flat, with about a million and half handguns sold in the U.S. market annually. This translates to 26.5 million handguns being sold in the past 15 years alone, yet homicides are at a 40-year low. Explain that if you will.

I might mention that the figure of 240 million (or whatever) guns in private hands in the USA has struck every knowledgeable man I ever discussed the matter with as way too low. One longtime veteran of the firearms industry estimated the total around 750 million, and that was quite a few years ago.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

Originally Posted by Orsini

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I wonder how well that would work for trouser cuffs...

I like to have twill tape on my trouser cuff hems to add weight to the leg to get the right hang and break on the shoes. Positioned correctly just to peek beyond the hem, the twill tape can be the wearing edge instead of the trouser fabric.

Originally Posted by antirabbit

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So I should start packing heat?
I mean beyond what I pack in the pants.

Originally Posted by MichaelE

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Illinois does not have a concealed carry (CCW) law.

Carry at your own risk, and if you're in Chicago, lotsa luck. Don't get caught.

Many would rather be judged by twelve than carried by six, but that's up to you.

wait until June 30th when the Supremes rule and you will be cool. Gun laws are going down for good.

Originally Posted by JLibourel

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Although it is not very PC to say this, but is a high homicide rate altogether a bad thing? A very large percentage of homicides involve one criminal bumping off another. A former homicide investigator for the Detroit PD told me that in 80% of the cases he investigated there "wasn't a nickel's worth of difference between the perp and the victim." Another officer at medium-sized city to the East of L.A. told me that every Monday the Captain would read off the names of that weekend's homicide victims to the assembled cops. Frequently, it would be interrupted with laughter and cheers when a known bad actor had met his demise.

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PC correct or not, what you say sure rings true.

You are a great writer of certain genres, Jan.

Sort of like a Joseph Wambaugh. Have you ever met him?

BTW: When I googled "Google Images" for J Libourel, this guy came up. Is he a young JLibourel?



PS: I hope you aren't offended by any digital intrusion. But these days anybody and anything is googled. I really wish you will get a digital camera this year. I can only imagine the great stuff you would do with it.

No, that fellow is most certainly not me. Even though I have become more fastidious about how I appear in public as my years advance, I would never have been that ill-attired in public. Never liked beards either. (The guy might be one of my half-brother's sons. I don't know. Never met the lads)

Curiously enough, I was in the front row (had a VIP pass) at a discussion Wambaugh and another crime writer gave at the L.A. Times Festival of Books a couple of weeks ago. Embarassingly, I had just had lunch and so I dozed off a bit during the proceedings. I hope Wambaugh and the other chap didn't notice!

Try a search for "Jan Libourel." Some of my old articles might come up.

P.S. Just did it. I think the guy in the photo was somebody who posted himself on the Seecamp forum where my name comes up. There was some weird stuff under my name--e.g., a photo of Scarlett Johansson and Natalie Portman kissing. That certainly had nothing to do with me...although I sure wish it did!

Originally Posted by Orsini

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I wonder how well that would work for trouser cuffs...

A properly done cuff should be weighted with silk tape at the back.