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post #31 of 45
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I'm sorry about my English- I'll strive to improve it! I am after all a sensitive poetic soul that takes those things to heart and always strives to be kind to everyone I encounter directly- even via the net . Also sorry for calling you a Victorian widow. As pertaining my other posts (e.g. also the second paragraph of the last one) please realize that I was not talking to you or anyone specifically but rather made observations of a rather general-philosophical kind about certain groups and todays state of Western society in general; if you "recognized" yourself in them then let me assure you that this was not my intention.
post #32 of 45
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...please realize that I was not talking to you or anyone specifically but rather made observations of a rather general-philosophical kind about certain groups and todays state of Western society in general; if you "recognized" yourself in them then let me assure you that this was not my intention.

First, no, I did not see myself in your comments, thus the mirth I displayed. Also, it is rather a tired motif to make statements that you feel obviously apply to your interlocutor and then say they were "just general statements" and that if you "recognize" yourself in them, that's on you. A very tired ploy.

One wonders about people that claim to be European royalty that obviously are quite unhinged by reality and somehow feel they are specially gifted and "noble minded," far above the "intellectual commoners" while prancing around. (Don't read anything into this, just making a general philosophical statement here.)

post #33 of 45
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Ok. Then its good- I just got that impression from your first post in this thread where you seemed to have taken offence at the use of the word "commoner"...for me this "discussion" is over since you seem to be some sort of "drama queen" who doesnt strive for knowledge but for endless, unproductive debate...
post #34 of 45
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Ok. Then its good- I just got that impression from your first post in this thread where you seemed to have taken offence at the use of the word "commoner"...for me this "discussion" is over since you seem to be some sort of "drama queen" who doesnt strive for knowledge but for endless, unproductive debate...
Oh no, I'm an elitist and have never made any bones about it. And as for unproductive? Kid, did you notice I actually linked you to a well known essay by a very respected essayist and philosopher on this very topic? Hard to get more productive than that. Also hard to believe someone of such a noble mind had not read that particular essay on this topic. And as to drama? Puh-leeze. You're the drama mama here!
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Dont make suppositions about anyone over the net whom you dont know. (You supposed that 1) I am at uni right now and 2) that my family did not hold a noble title...funnily enough both are wrong.
I guess what they say about inbreeding and royalty is true.
post #36 of 45
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Thank you piobaire for that essay, good that we seem to be on the same page after all. In fact I had already read this in German translation; in that book many essays from various magazines like Harper's Magazine (from that your link is taken) or The Atlantic Monthly all by Russell pertaining to this topic, were collected. I will read it again when having more time, but for now I will quote some passages that I myself had marked in that book, that obviously seemed noteworthy to me at the time:

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The fact is that moving matter about, while a certain amount of it is necessary to our existence, is emphatically not one of the ends of human life. If it were, we should have to consider every navvy superior to Shakespeare. We have been misled in this matter by two causes. One is the necessity of keeping the poor contented, which has led the rich, for thousands of years, to preach the dignity of labor, while taking care themselves to remain undignified in this respect. The other is the new pleasure in mechanism, which makes us delight in the astonishingly clever changes that we can produce on the earth's surface. Neither of these motives makes any great appeal to the actual worker

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Whatever merit there may be in the production of goods must be entirely derivative from the advantage to be obtained by consuming them. The individual, in our society, works for profit; but the social purpose of his work lies in the consumption of what he produces. It is this divorce between the individual and the social purpose of production that makes it so difficult for men to think clearly in a world in which profit-making is the incentive to industry. We think too much of production, and too little of consumption. One result is that we attach too little importance to enjoyment and simple happiness, and that we do not judge production by the pleasure that it gives to the consumer.

And especially this part; I have also used *partly* similar arguments in my previous posts- maybe even unconsciously inspired by this essay, who knows? (of course Russell overdoes it a bit with his negative depiction of "those above", IMO, after all he was a "social critic" who wrote in the first half of the 20th century)...
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In the past, there was a small leisure class and a larger working class. The leisure class enjoyed advantages for which there was no basis in social justice; this necessarily made it oppressive, limited its sympathies, and caused it to invent theories by which to justify its privileges. These facts greatly diminished its excellence, but in spite of this drawback it contributed nearly the whole of what we call civilization. It cultivated the arts and discovered the sciences; it wrote the books, invented the philosophies, and refined social relations. Even the liberation of the oppressed has usually been inaugurated from above. Without the leisure class, mankind would never have emerged from barbarism.

Best regards, J.
post #37 of 45
Ski bums.
post #38 of 45
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What does that mean, binge? Or is it only a simple bump....if so then: thanks...nothing new to add for now- no inspiration concerning this...maybe should only say that those thoughts about antique slavery as a condition for all science and higher culture were also prominently formulated by the German philologist and philosopher Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche in the third quarter of the 19th century, just in case anyone would like to do some further reading about this...

p.s. ahh, or are you referring to the book Tao Bums there? Have read it actually but somehow wasn't that impressed...was ok, though. For a good book on Tao I recommend the Zhuangzi for a good one on Zen the Shoubougenzou by Dougen.
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The fine art of doing nothing or as we call it out here in the middle of nowhere, watching the grass grow.

When it's warm out I'll grab a cup of coffee and head out to my favorite little lake and watch the sunset every evening. When it's cold I'll sit on my porch with a cup of coffee and watch the sunset.

IMO, everyone should set aside time to sit and do nothing more than just watch things go by. You'll probably live longer if you do.
post #41 of 45
I spent approximately 1 hour out of my bed yesterday. I was not sick. It was awesome.
post #42 of 45
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I spent approximately 1 hour out of my bed yesterday. I was not sick. It was awesome.

jeeze...
I remember days like that.
Fondly.
post #43 of 45
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The fine art of doing nothing or as we call it out here in the middle of nowhere, watching the grass grow.

When it's warm out I'll grab a cup of coffee and head out to my favorite little lake and watch the sunset every evening. When it's cold I'll sit on my porch with a cup of coffee and watch the sunset.

IMO, everyone should set aside time to sit and do nothing more than just watch things go by. You'll probably live longer if you do.

My family in KY spends a serious chunk of time sitting on porches drinking lemonade, waving to passing neighbors and shooting the breeze. We've had 5 centenarians in the family in my lifetime (oddly 107 seems to be our limit), about 90% make it into their 90s, despite the fact that if what they're eating hasn't been fried, it's been barbecued.
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My family in KY spends a serious chunk of time sitting on porches drinking lemonade, waving to passing neighbors and shooting the breeze. We've had 5 centenarians in the family in my lifetime (oddly 107 seems to be our limit), about 90% make it into their 90s, despite the fact that if what they're eating hasn't been fried, it's been barbecued.

This is wonderful, on many levels.
post #45 of 45
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I like those recent answers- they make me feel very relaxed and inspire me for more nothing-doing...
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