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You're lucky that I didn't enact my right to prima nocta.

I thought the state of New York has a ban on gay marriage?

Jon.
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An interesting anecdote, RSS. In those days, did the South still exhibit its antebellum side of Sir Walter Scott civility and mint juleps?

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I thought the state of New York has a ban on gay marriage?

Jon.

Honestly, you two... Try harder.
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Honestly, you two... Try harder.
My question was quite sincere. I'd like to know if the South in those days was full of Tennessee Williams characters.
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My question was quite sincere. I'd like to know if the South in those days was full of Tennessee Williams characters.

Fewer than are on this board, I suspect.
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I too was taught that. But fortunately, I don't accept all that I was taught. There are some "traditions" upon which it's worth turning my back. But then again ... long ago I stopped worrying about how others see or perceive me. I will always recall late August of 1967 ... the year desegregation came to the schools in my home town ... a city deep in the South. Prior to this time, I had been receiving a private education, but I asked my parents to place me in a local public school so that I might witness events first hand. For one semester -- and much to my surprise -- they agreed. The first day of school everyone gathered in the auditorium. But even as the more enlightened authorities tried to bring us together ... as children we allowed our race to divide us down the middle ... white on one side ... black on the other ... with not one exception. Of course, given the many less than subtle reminders of segregation so prevalent throughout the South ... it was not an easy divide to breach. It retrospect, I realize that we were doing what "tradition" expected of us ... what some hoped we'd always do ... even as others opened a new opportunity to us. We sat there for what seemed an eternity. Then the principal issued a challenge, "Until someone crosses to the other side of this room, classes will not begin." More time passed ... too much time ... and where I got the courage I will never know ... but I stood ... and crossed the divide of a room filled with silence. I settled into a chair next to a young man about my own age ... our eyes meeting for a brief moment ... but not a word was said. More time passed ... and then a girl behind me rubbed her finger across my neck. I turned to see what this was about when she playfully remarked, "I just wanted to see if that white rubbed off." The room erupted into laughter ... and at that moment, several others crossed the divide ... and in doing so began to destroy it. Perhaps this seems a small event ... and maybe it was. Perhaps I make too much of it ... but in the deep South at that time ... my action was something that was not simply the unexpected ... it just wasn't done. In fact, in the weeks that followed, the quiet of night was often interrupted by the sound of a brick crashing through our front window. Often the bricks were inscribed with less than complementary words. Of course, doing what is expected of me never really got me anywhere. Only in doing the unexpected -- sometimes doing that which isn't done to the point of risking disapproval -- have I found myself taken to new places.
*claps slowly
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I actually find it odd that this ort of relationshipship exists between the master and servant, I was taught to keep the two social world apart, yes we give the servants gifts for the vacations and holy days btu be seen at the same social level or be invited by the servant or anyone related to him or her is odd.

I too was taught that. But fortunately, I don't accept all that I was taught. There are some "traditions" upon which it's worth turning my back. But then again ... long ago I stopped worrying about how others see or perceive me.

There are other traditions that might indicate you were OK. I'm thinking of (imagining) the Old Country villages where the squire might condescend to drop in on a retainers' wedding. This might be particularly true when there was a domestic relationship, such as with a cook or nurse. Just a guess, but reading of light fiction suggests that there were different mores from those of our more urban, bourgeois culture.
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My question was quite sincere. I'd like to know if the South in those days was full of Tennessee Williams characters.
There were certainly some ... still are a few. I had an aunt who was married eight times. I recall one of her marriages (#6 I think it was) occurring during my teenage years. The day of, she asked if I were coming over for the "quiet" evening ceremony. My response, "I've got plans tonight, I'll catch the next one," didn't go over well ... and I really did know better. It's safe to say that my response was not an example of Southern civility.

But speaking of civility ... that was certainly present ... particularly among my grandparents' generation. And, yes, there were mint juleps. Why I think I still have a few sip spoons (w/hollow handles ... for sipping ... and a bowl shaped like a mint leaf).
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There are other traditions that might indicate you were OK. I'm thinking of (imagining) the Old Country villages where the squire might condescend to drop in on a retainers' wedding. This might be particularly true when there was a domestic relationship, such as with a cook or nurse. Just a guess, but reading of light fiction suggests that there were different mores from those of our more urban, bourgeois culture.
You are quite right ... there certainly could be other circumstances.

It might have been better had I begun ... I too was taught that. But I don't accept all that I'm taught as being applicable to every situation. Given our particular circumstances, I made the decision to turn my back on tradition this time.
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